Why didn't Wlad go for the WBC belt after Vitali retired

You seem to be having a hard time understanding this. Wilder when you claim he would fight Wlad (had he beaten Fury) was busy fighting handpicked optional fights like Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka, Arreola, Washington, and a rematch with Stiverne. Wilder wasn't going to fight Wlad before 2018. I'll ask again, do you understand what is being discussed here? Has nothing to do with Fury in this scenario.

If you want to talk about Wilder and Fury they fought 3 times for a total of 30 rounds. In all those fights how many total rounds did Wilder win? 5? He got a gift draw in the first fight and and was stopped in the 2nd and 3rd fights once brutally by a feather fisted Fury

 

Stiverne II was a mandatory.
Wilder fought: Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka, Arreola, and Washington - and only then did the WBC say he should have a mandatory defense. For which they picked Stiverne.
Stiverne, who after loosing to Wilder fought Rossy, and got a gift decision, after which he did not fight for 2 years.

Mother****ers picked Stiverne as his mandatory, who had not fought in two years.

 

I fully under the discussion topic, read the topic above, it says “why didn’t wlad fight for wbc”. It got sidetracked by usual “wilders fault”
So I’ll ask you, do you understand the topic being discussed?

fury is as relevant as wilder in the discussion as wlad was being held up with fury’s rematch antics.

can you read the topic in English? Or are illiterate? if you can read, please quote me the thread title. A copy and paste will do.

 

Sums up the situation pretty well considering Wilder not ever unifying.

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100% correct.

Peoples obssession with undisputed is a new thing and they are projecting that on to the past.

 

Wlad an ATG

I get what youre trying to say I just dont agree. And I find Wilder fans rancid and unlikeable because of their tendencies to make exceptions for him.

Wilder's best win was over 39 y/o Ortiz. Wilder got shutout and TKOd. at 39 y/o by Parker and Zhang. And this happened after Fury stopped Wilder twice. Following TKO loss to Fury Wilder TKOd Helenius in 1 round after Helenius shockingly ruined and stopped Kowonacki twice. It was only 1 round but Wilder didnt look ruined there.

 

How did Ortiz “look bad” against Allen? He stopped him in 7 rounds and took a fraction of the punches Whyte did. No one has performed better against Allen.

Ortiz obviously signed with Matchroom to get the maximally lucrative Joshua fight but Hearn wouldn’t even give him Whyte. So he jumped ship to PBC to fight Wilder early the next year, as a clear underdog. This is not “chasing stiffs”.

Your characterisation of “cherry picking” is laughable. Wilder-Ortiz was a fight between two top 5 ranked HW’s. Wilder’s first fight against Fury was oddswise much more dangerous than Joshua’s against Fury-victim 41 year old Wlad (and so it proved to be). Fury and Ortiz were both regarded as very high risk opponents for Joshua by his promoter, as was Wilder himself. But instead of one of those three, Andy Ruiz was the one to do him.

Wilder’s losses to Parker and Zhang are meaningless, he’d have lost a trilogy to Ortiz post-Fury 3. Not to say he’d necessarily have beaten them years prior but he didn’t want to be in the ring by that point.

 

The most plausible explanation is that America’s boxing politics blocked Wlad from fighting for the WBC. They were desperate for an American HW champion (Briggs was the last one, in 2007) and finally got their wish with Wilder, who didn’t fight at the top level consistently until 2018, more than 3 years into his reign and almost 10 years into his pro career. I recall one of the WBC Wilder guys saying “maybe we will fight Wlad in 2017” before Fury had dethroned him and of course there was the Povetkin debacle in 2015/2016.

Another question though is why did Vitali hold the WBC hostage? Had he retired earlier it’s possible Wlad would have got the opportunity to fight for it. Instead he stuck around fighting Charr instead of Haye and holding onto it a year after his last fight. This gave Wlad a much more limited window to fight for it.

 

Wilders quick finish of helenius showed us nothing. It didn’t show us wilder was not ruined, it’s clear he is. His punch output has gone etc. he now boxes like he “can’t pull the trigger”.

So wlad was a past prime atg, do you credit this as a atg win?
why is wlad classed as an atg? His resume was considered appalling at the time and he wasn’t even the best heavyweight in his family. Vitali was considered better at the time.

I know what you mean though, I find Wilder haters so obviously biased in their perspective and opinions, this is based off their tendencies to create rules that only apply to him and not the rest of the boxing world. They are generally hypocrites born out of hatred for a man they never met. I’m not sure what the true root of this adamant stranger hatred is though. It makes me curious.

 

Another thing want to add is that its kinda like why Holmes didn't unify with the WBA there was no reason to because it was clear who the real champ was. There was no need to unify with the winner of Stiverne v Arreola or Wilder because he beat Stiverne.

The WBC from 05-18 was abnormally weak for a major HW belt and IMO shouldn't be considered a major title until Wilder v Ortiz. You can't match up any 2 fighters for a belt and expect the other champ to drop everything to unify. The reason there was demand for Wlad to unify with Vitali is he was the former lineal champ who retired and he did well against Lennox. Not because he won the WBC strap.

 

This obsession with undisputed is a new one.
Also vitali was considered the champ more than wlad at the time, even though he held wbc.

 

Grandpa Ortiz was never a top 5 contender don't kid yourself maybe back in the 70's when he was in his prime. But really Ortiz was nothing more then a hype job who's best win is Bryant Jennings lol the dude was a can crusher and lost all three times he took on a top ten Heavyweight.

 

The rankings disagree pal.

also, you being adamant with this lame joke he looks old doesn’t change the fact his certified age is what it is and he was a top 5 contender according to the orgs.


Or is this age thing something you only say about Cubans?

 

Was he ranked top 5 by whom? The WBC lol. Not a top 5 Heavyweight at any point of his very middling career period.

 

Might sound like a tin foil hat take but sometime the cart leads the horse in these Orgs. Wilder Bodyguard Council with their American heavyweight champion especially. Deontay was a manufactured American champ.