Tank Davis v De La Hoya?

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  1. LrryMrchntsFlsk

    LrryMrchntsFlsk Active Member Full Member

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    You drove yourself down that road when you claimed everyone Tank beat was on Oscar's level.

    So you couldn't name a single fighter that Shane and Tito beat that is better than Oscar? Got it!

    You claim that Shane and Tito's records and accomplishments make them legends, yet Shane's record is not as good as Oscar's and Oscar fought bigger names than Shane.

    How exactly is Shane a legend, but Oscar isn't? For the record, I'm a big fan of Shane in and out of the ring.

    Who has Shane and Tito beaten that is better than Oscar? Who has Tank beaten that is at Oscar's level? You've diminished Floyd's, Shane's and Tito's victory over Oscar.

    You are definitely a troll, are deficient in knowledge and not humble enough to admit when you are mistaken. Even worse, as someone else put it, you are a liar!
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can't take this post seriously when you tell me you think Mosley beat ODLH the 2nd time everyone I know on this forum scored it clearly for ODLH and it weren't even close I scored it 8-4 for ODLH.

    Tito beat ODLH clearly ? Come off it mate.
     
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  3. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    You should shut up and listen to expert analysts.
     
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  4. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    You are just wilfully blind hence no hope for you.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    But you aren't an expert analyst. You have spent the last few posts arguing with yourself.

    You neve rated Pedraza and now you pretend he was the best SF in the world.

    Wahid never beat multiple title holders at SFW but now you pretend he did.

    You spent years defending Wahid ducking Loma and now you pretend Loma is ducking Wahid.

    You get far too emotional about these things.

    There's nothing wrong with being the next Broner.
     
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  6. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    I never said everyone Tank beat is at Oscar’s level so stop lying. I said the closest stylistically is Ryan Garcia.Tank just beats everyone put in front of him like his mentor Floyd as Tank was taught to win. Oscar lacks top class ring generalship which is why he lost some close fights like the ones you refer to. What I do know is that both Shane and Tito are better than Oscar as they beat Oscar at his peak. I don’t believe you are a Shane Mosley fan otherwise you won’t ask such an impertinent question. As for Tito an undefeated Welterweight arguably the greatest welterweight ever up there with both Sugar Rays, Tommy etc, if you don’t know he is a legend then you can **** off. Sorry but you have now pissed me off to question Tito as a legend. I still miss him in the ring till this day.
     
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  7. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Who says I never rated Pedraza. I said he was an undefeated world champion when Tank beat him to become the yo7 best world champion and made his boxing Daddy Floyd ever so proud.

    I know Loma is ducking Tank. Why did Loma retire when they had commenced negotiations. Such a ***** ass ***** move.
     
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  8. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    I have been saying this for years and at the time. That is my complete 100% honest belief!
     
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  9. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My man Luft... bringing the heat.
     
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  10. Dynamicpuncher

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    We should have a discussion sometime on the scoring of certain fights and you tell me your thought process but we'll leave that for another day.
     
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  11. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Happy to do that. Cheers.
     
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  12. LrryMrchntsFlsk

    LrryMrchntsFlsk Active Member Full Member

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    Liar!!

    LrryMrchntsFlsk said: ↑
    What mother truckers like Oscar did Tank beat up????
    Everyone he faced including Oscar protege Rihanna Garcia.

    African Cobra, Today at 12:37 AM
     
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  13. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Garcia is his protege. The word is “mutha****er” in urban slang. Tank destroyed him and made him quit with a body shot same as B-Hop did to Oscar. Remember Floyd celebrating that with Tank after calling out Oscar saying he was sure Riahanna Garcia learned that quit move from Oscar.



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    Game Set and Match.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    This is an old post so it might need a little more updating

    Of the 10 'world champions' he's fought

    Gamboa was 38 y/o and shot to hell and a world champion way back in 2013

    Cristobal Cruz was 38, shot to bits, a world champion way back in 2009 down at 126, as was 1-7-2 in his last 11 fights

    Hugo Ruiz was a world champion down at 122 who Twink fought at 130 on late notice

    Cuellar was a former WBA regular champion down at 126, a career 126 who never fought at 130, and was coming off a 16 month layoff and a loss but was somehow nominated to contest the vacant 130 title with Tank.

    ''Somehow'' meaning that someone has a very cosy relationship with the WBA and one could easily be forgiven for thinking that the WBA's palms are being greased by someone they shouldn't be in return for favours because the WBA, and the WBA regular belt, is a recurring theme here

    Barrios was the WBA regular champion at 140 whose only claim to fame was winning a hometown gift from his three home judges against a seven fight novice. That's how Barrios won his bogus belt in the first place. Barrios subsequently became the WBC 147 champion after PBC managed to manufacture another world champion to try an boost Twink's resume after she someone found himself in an eliminator for the interim belt despite the fact he was 1-2 in his last 3 fights, one via stoppage to Twink, the other being getting schooled by a very inactive Thurman.

    The win in those 3 fights came against 13-2 Jovanie Santiago who had lost his last 2 fights and one via stoppage

    Leo was the IBF champ at 118, the WBC champ at 122, the WBA champ at 126, and he won the WBA belt in his previous fight, and only fight at 130, when paired up for the vacant title against fellow 126 pounder. Twink was always a 135 pounder not a 130 and his size and power advantage was always going to be way too much for 122-126 pounder Leo who prior to then the hardest puncher he'd faced was probably blown up 122 pounder Frampton

    Hector Garcia was the champ at 130 and dragged up to 135

    Rolly (another PBC manufactured champion to try and bost Twink's resume) became the.. yeah, you guessed it.. the WBA 140 champ, after facing Twink, in his very next fight after getting knocked out by him when he was paired up against a 40 Barroso for the vacant tittle at that weight despite the fact he'd never fought at that weight and was coming off a KO loss in his previous fight.

    The corruption was on full display as soon as they announced the fight ie. it was supposed to be a gimme for Rolly to pick up a free world title but Rolly is such garbage senior citizen Barroso (who was KO'd by KO32% Anthony Crolla way back in his prime) not only dropped him but was soundly beating his ass prior to the corrupt as sin ref having to intervene to make sure everything went according to plan and Rolly got that belt.

    The ref called a blatant push a KD in Rolly's favour and then later dived and waved the fight off over nothing in what was one of the most brazen displays of corruption you'll ever see


    Pedraza was the IBF champ at 130 and the WBO champion at 135

    So in his 12 year career how many prime real world champions has Twink fought who were world champion in the division he fought them in? The figure is rather shocking

    As said, Rolly became a world champion at 140 after losing to Twink but as I explained only because of an industrial amount of corruption.

    And let's not forget Rolly also got his ass whooped by Jackson Martinez prior to facing Twink but the three home judges robbed Martinez blind.

    More on the Cuellar corruption

    Cuellar - career 126 pounder who was campaigning at 126 and had never campaigned at 130 and was coming off a loss against Abner Mares down at 126 and a 16 month layoff was mysteriously ranked #1 by the WBA and paired up against Twink for the vacant title at 130 for a completely fraudulent belt which had literally been stolen off the real champ who the WBA decided to downgrade for no goddamn reason other than to find a belt to give to Twink.

    Who did Twink beat to become a 'world champion' at

    130?

    135?

    140?
     
    Serge, Jan 9, 2025
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  15. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    We have debated this several times so you and I don’t need to go over old ground as we know where we both stand on Tank.

    The only question I have is in your references to a cosy relationship with the WBA and palms being greased. Do you have any evidence to this effect as in circumstantial or is it mere suspicion?

    I know you are a Loma fan but you respect Tank’s talent. By the way do you have any update on whether Loma is definitely retired or does he plan to come back?
     
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