How does Usyk’s HW era compare with Holmes (1978-1985) and Klitschko (2004-2015)

Talentwise is usyk way better than Holmes. Usyk beat way more styles and sizes

 

Explain ?

Beat Carl Williams who was 6'5 with an 85 inch reach who had a great jab and was good at fighting at range.

Beat Tim Witherspoon who had a cross arm defence very good jab and a very hurtful overhand right.

Beat Ken Norton who probably had one of the most unique styles of any notable Heavyweight who was one of the best conditioned Heavyweights of all time who was also a very good body puncher.

Beat 1 punch KO artist in Earnie Shavers.

Beat aggressive swarmer in Trevor Berbick who holds two very notable wins in the 80s over undefeated Greg Page, Pinklon Thomas.

Beat another big punching 6'4 Bonecrusher Smith.

Beat 6'6 big punching Gerry Cooney who had one of the most dangerous left hooks of all time who was also a fantastic body puncher.

Holmes beat alot of different styles big punchers, tall outboxers, boxers with unique styles.

 

If we're just comparing the eras they fought in, as in the opponents/challengers around them, I think this era was better than Wlad's.

Much more so. I think Joshua and Fury were the two best guys Wlad ever fought, yet they weren't really part of his era. He was an old man when he fought them.

But I don't know if this era that's rapidly coming to a close was better than the era that was the late 70s-early 80s. It's fun. But a lot of those guys kept fighting and winning well into the 90s.

And Wlad and Larry made 20 defenses each. Usyk's got four so far. Sometimes quantity is as impressive as quality. It's nice to have both.

Usyk's competing in a very good era, though. No question.

 

Agreed, Holmes and Wlad spank him.

 

Well said. A LOT of people seem to want to **** on the 80's as a very weak era. Was it great? Not by any means. But it also didn't have 4 belts for guys to call themselves 'champion'. The IBF, whils starting in the early 80's, was not seen as a major boxing title for years after that. And truth be told, there were a lot of very talented boxers in the 80's. Unfortunately, there were guys like Holmes and then Tyson to roadblock any title wins for many.

 

Holmes had 75 hw fights , wlad 69 and usyk 7 .
There is imho not much to compare here.

 

And lost to a small fast guy.
He went life and death with a slow one trick pony puncher in earnie shavers
Norton was beaten badly by every puncher he ever faced
Cooney is not better than Michael Grant.

 

Cooney would stop Grant in 6. Holmes got dropped by Shavers, he schooled him outside of that

 

Bad example. Today's NBA is soft, weak defense, and a jump shooing/three point league. And personally, I loved it when more and more eastern Europeans came to the league in the late 80's/early 90's.

 

Lost his 1st fight at age 35 after 20 World title fights over 7 years context.

Yeah winning 22 out of 23 rounds vs Shavers is going life and death.

Cooney loses to Grant ok buddy.

 

The style of ball today is much different. That's not opinion either. Anyone who says Jokic doesn't deserve his MVPs should just be dismissed as a troll. He's a badass who certainly did deserve them. He would certainly hang with the 80/90s more physical league, I just don't think he'd have the same numbers. No doubt he'd be an All Star though. Dude's a serious baller!!

You're not wrong. Nationalism is a sumavabitch everywhere.

 

Someone cared about unification because two attempts with Coetzee fell through. Holmes abandoned a belt rather than fight Page, and openly said he wanted no part of Thomas. And as champion, it would have been up to him to pursue guys like Dokes, Page, and Tubbs, if he cared about his legacy the way Usyk does.

Klitschko missed out on good fights like Adamek, Briggs, and Gomez because Vitali took them on, and before you scoff that that, they were better than most of the guys on Wlad's resume. The big point is that he never fought the #2 of the era which was Vitali, and whereas that isn't really his fault, it made for an awkward, uneven era.

 

You calling Fury an ATG but not Holmes? LOL