does boxing evolve?

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    What on earth are they going to do what we’ve not seen already?
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Boxer’s have had film footage to study for decades.
     
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    What on earth are you talking about?
     
  4. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    Even then, film study improves your familiarity with a person and highlights weak spots and habits etc. it does not improve fundamentals Or skills, sharpness etc.

    So much time is spent on “not working on your craft”, in moderation these things can be good, but they can also occupy energy that could be used elsewhere. A fine balance is best.
     
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  5. Mark Anthony

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    Let me ask you something, do you think Jake Lamotta watched taped fights of Ray Robinson in the 50`s?
     
  6. Mark Anthony

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    VHS (Video Home System) is a standard for consumer-level analog video recording on tape cassettes, introduced in 1976 by the Victor Company of Japan (JVC). It was the dominant home video format throughout the tape media period in the late 1970s through the early 2000s.
    I`m telling you that even in 1976 when VHS recorders started to circulate Muhammad Ali didn`t sit down to watch tapes of Norton, Foreman or Frazier.
     
  7. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    Film study doesn’t make you a better fighter
     
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  8. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    We have to disagree on that.
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    How is that relevant to what I said?

    That was over 70 years ago.

    They had old reels though.
     
  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mike Tyson used to sit in the attic for hours and hours watching old fight reels.

    Also, 1976 was nearly 50 years ago.

    However, if you want to specifically discuss VHS, then we can.

    When I was a kid in the 80’s, I used to study VHS footage of fighters.

    That was 40 odd years ago.

    Yet why is today’s MW division nowhere near as strong as the various MW divisions of the 80’s and 90’s??

    Why is today’s WW division nowhere near as strong as what it was in the 80’s?

    Why is today’s LHW division nowhere near as strong as what it was in the 70’s and 80’s?
     
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  11. Loudon

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    Again, this has been open to every manager, trainer and promoter for decades.

    Yet the sport has regressed within the last 30-40 years.
     
  12. ruffryders

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    Tyson, in the 80’s had access to one of the largest libraries of fights in the world.

    the film study fighters use are of 2 types;
    1) not during fight camp, usually during your youth you are watching and picking up how other better fighters perform and do things and then hopefully practicing them for hours on end to maybe add to your arsenal.

    2) film study used by developed guys guys is to learn their opponent and get familiar with them. This does not improve skills or add anything to your arsenal, it lets you see which of your tools may work best, when and how to use them.

    regarding it making you a better fighter, you can learn tactics but you have to practice them correctly without picking up bad habits.

    There hasn’t been a well established fighter who has got there off film study alone.
    It’s a practical sport, you need your muscles to memorise things…watching videos doesn’t do that.
     
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  13. Mark Anthony

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    I wasn`t really refering to the 80`s, I also kno that Pernell Whitaker used to study his opponents, Tyson became a boxing historian because of Cus who was the best trainer around for a number of years.
     
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  14. bandeedo

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    your brain functions in such an odd way. it doesnt make calculations in a linear pattern. its so all over the place that it doesnt seem to be calculating at all.
     
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  15. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm still waiting to hear about all these new 'fundamentals' Mark mentioned.
     
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