Wilder v Wlad Klitschko

Finkel didn't keep Wilder away from Wlad. The reason the fight didn't happen was Wlad wanted to defend against Fury first and wanted to fight Wilder after in early 2016 which didn't happen for obvious reasons.

 

“Look, (Wilder) is a baby winning the title. It was his first title fight, they'll be a time for unification, they'll be a time for all those things, he could go and Povetkin (the No. 2 contender) in Russia and make $10 million,” Finkel said to the Tuscaloosa News. “It's not the right thing yet. Give him a couple of fights, maybe bring something back to Alabama. Let him develop just like any other athlete. They don't take someone who is a great college prospect and throw him right in. And this kid is a great prospect.”

A baby....a prospect w/ a title. Geez...

This is from January 2015

 

I never said it did. I only said it could boost Wlad's confidence which could result in him being more aggresive.

 

The ZOMZ ZQUAD never happens

 

Your take is all wrong here. Wlad is an excellent student and understood that Wilder had a good straight right but nothing else. Wlad wouldve ended the hype train before it ever took off

 

you need skill to land and Wilder has less then zero of that.

 

With all due respect Luf there's a massive gap in the logic there. While I agree Wilder was 3rd best of the post-Wlad pre-Usyk era (also pre Joseph Parker's full form, who I think is probably a better fighter now than Wilder at any point, though he was underwhelming at the time) , it was only the post-Wlad era because Wlad wasn't in it. If he was, Wilder is out of the top 3, even old shot Wlad was a better all round fighter than Wilder. The way Wlad fought AJ, up on his toes, would have set Wilder up beautifully for a right hand that he just isn't made to take

 

Actually how does it not? I gave you a direct comparison of a fighter who was old like Wlad but with even less ability ( older really in honesty to Wlad but whatever) This fight took place around the timeframe in question and Wilder had to be saved by the ref from being stopped in the Ortiz fight, so no I would not pick a Wilder who was given all he can handle by grandpa Ortiz to beat any version of Klitschko.

 

you know there is a quote of Finkel right after Wilder won the title lol

“Look, (Wilder) is a baby winning the title. It was his first title fight, they'll be a time for unification, they'll be a time for all those things, he could go and Povetkin (the No. 2 contender) in Russia and make $10 million,” Finkel said to the Tuscaloosa News. “It's not the right thing yet. Give him a couple of fights, maybe bring something back to Alabama. Let him develop just like any other athlete. They don't take someone who is a great college prospect and throw him right in. And this kid is a great prospect.”

think about that Wilder 33-0 32ko's and now a champion but he is not ready? It really shows you how little faith they had in him.

 

Round about 2017 when Wladimir hurt AJ, but then couldn't finish him off, and ultimately got finished himself, that Wlad doesn't beat Wilder.

We also know for a fact that Wlad doesn't beat AJ nor Fury.

Wlad is inactive, old and 2 years removed from his last victory. He doesn't beat Wilder at that point.

 

This was your post

"Prime to prime no it is a total mis-match and now with how gunshy Wilder is with no fundamentals to fall back on it would look like the Zhang fight"

We're discussing 2017 Wlad, the old inactive guy who got stopped by AJ and hadn't won a fight for two years, against an at his peak Deontay Wilder.

 

Did you even read it? what I wrote above? I compared it to Ortiz who Wilder fought at that time period as an example and now you are just being obtuse. Wilder in that timeframe could barely make it past an ancient Ortiz even after they extended time between rounds to protect Wilder. so no why would I favor Wilder who could barely manage to beat that Ortiz while Wilder was in his supposed prime ( was that really the best he ever was lol) over someone who is wildly more talented and accomplished then Ortiz around the same age. No version of Wilder was anything more then a slight punchers chance.

 

The Ortiz that Wilder beat would have beat Wladimir.

 

What the hell does losing to AJ have to do with not being able to beat Wilder?

Any version of Wlad knocks out wilder easily, even today.

 

That Ortiz is what he always was a fringe contender that was well past his use by date. He at no point in their careers would he ever have more then a slight puchers chance Wilder just is not and never was that good and there are levels to this game. What exactly did Ortiz ever accomplish besides being busted for steroids?