does boxing evolve?

Like I said, you are completely incapable of having an objective debate.

It is absolutely beyond you.

I haven’t searched the site to find you. Why on earth would I do such a thing?

I have unfortunately come across your name on this thread, as well as the Crawford one which has recently been bumped.

Now after the various ignorant things that you have typed since being a member, I don’t believe for a second that you’ve been involved in the sport and been a fan for over 5 decades.

Because if that was true, you would never hold the opinions that you do.

Yes, you pay too much attention to other sports. Because that’s your so called evidence that boxing progresses. You try to use those other sports as evidence, and then claim that anybody who doesn’t agree, are biased nostalgics.

I’m not crying. It’s you who’s upset, as various people have told you that Terence wouldn’t have been favoured over the Fab Four.

I have NEVER said that the sport hasn’t evolved.

I said that it doesn’t evolve on a continuous cycle.

I said that it simply ebbs and flows. And that is very easily provable.

The sprinters today might be the fastest group of sprinters of all time.

But today’s WW’s aren’t the best WW’s of all time.

Today’s best HW’s aren’t the best HW’s of all time.

If you’ve been a fan of this sport for 5 decades, you have to know that there’s many fighters of yesteryear who were superior skilled. And not just the odd fighter, but many, many fighters.

You would know that the sport has regressed from the 90’s.

You would know that there’s many, many divisions today, which couldn’t hold a candle to many from the past, which is crystal clear proof that the sport doesn’t keep evolving.

 

I have picked one quick example off of the top of my head for your consideration.

I then literally typed that if you think that it was an anomaly, that we can look at many, many other divisions from throughout the years.

You can choose the divisions yourself.

You will then simply see that it ebbs and flows in every era.

You can even compare the top 10 P4P fighters from every decade if you want.

Either from the Ring, or any other respected source.

If you do that, you will see that the fighters don’t clearly become better, where’s there’s a noticeable difference, where you could say for certain that today’s guys are completely superior in both athleticism and skill to all that came before them.

Yes, they are generational talents in every era.

There’ll always be special guys.

But I’m talking about in general.

Again, I’m not talking about an anomaly.

An anomaly would be listing one or two divisions. Yet I could literally list you 20 or more from within the last 50 years. And even more if I had the time.

Now that is not an anomaly. That is absolute proof that the sport doesn’t progress/evolve continuously, in the way that some other sports have.

BTW, there’s still world records still yet to be broken from years ago.

 

Agree. Almost all sports have evolved because they rely so much on pure physicality and also equipment, while Boxing physicality and skill sort of plateaued decades ago because it has been around for so long. One of the reasons its actually regressed if because the best athletes these days simply don't want to be boxers and choose other sports. The talent pool is more shallow.

 

Great post, genius.

Nobody has claimed that Rocky would have beaten all of the modern HW’s.

Rocky would be a CW today.

And the likelihood is, he’d have had mixed success.

He’d have won some and lost some, simply depending on who he fought and how they’d have matched up on the night stylistically.

Yes, of course the sport evolves.

But it doesn’t keep evolving continuously.

The sport hasn’t evolved for years.

And the modern athletes aren’t all superior to the older fighters.

If that was true, then you can come and explain why there’s many, many divisions today, which are completely inferior to many of the past.

You’d have to be pretty ignorant and unknowledgeable, to believe that today’s best fighters are the best of all time, in both skills and athleticism.

Because that is clearly not the case.

There is zero proof that today’s boxers are the fittest, most athletic fighters of all time.

And again, we know that they’re not the most skilled. Anybody who is educated on the previous eras knows that for sure.

A knowledgeable and experienced boxing fan, knows for sure that many fighters today, even the top ones, are inferior to many of the guys from the past. And that’s not being nostalgic. That’s being real, based on what we know, and what we still have access to.

 

ydksab.

 

I'm completely incapable of having a debate but your goofy a$$ keep seeking out my comments and attempting to rebuttal me.......LOL.

So what are you just begging for attention then..... There's no need for me to read any more of your comments if I'm so "incapable".......why do you keep responding to me then.......

I'll do what you apparently can't do, and stop wasting time on some dumb chick who is only here to argue with zero end game to it..... Now are you one of those chicks who need the last word so you feel you accomplished something?..... If so, do what you do......But I won't read nor respond, just so this pointless back and forth can end.

Let me go find someone I'll actually capable of having a conversation with....lol. Peace.

 

1. I’ve already told you that I didn’t seek you out.

2. You aren’t capable of debating with anyone.

I asked you a very simple question that you couldn’t answer.

I gave you just a quick example out of many, many others that I could put forward.

I even said that YOU could choose any division for some comparisons.


Now anybody who has been a fan for 50 years, KNOWS THAT:

There has been many, many fighters and divisions of the past, that are completely superior to today’s guys in every way.

Now in track and field, you couldn’t find a large group of athletes who in the early 80’s, were superior to everybody in their field today.

Yet in boxing, there were many divisions within the sport that were superior to today’s group. Both in skills and athletic performance. And that was 40-45 years ago.

So how can you explain that?

And again, it’s not an anomaly, as we’re talking about a LARGE number of guys.

And we can do it throughout other eras, most notably the 90’s.


As a whole, apart from the odd division, the 90’s were also superior in every way.

There’s no way that you’ve been a fan for five decades. Because no fan for that long, would type the absolute rubbish that you do.


Now come and tell me, why we have a ton of past fighters who were better than the guys of today.

If the sport doesn’t regress or ebb and flow, and it keeps progressing like other sports, then tell me WHY all of today’s fighters AREN’T the best fighters of all time.

Tell me why today’s MW and SMW divisions are the weakest they’ve been in decades.

How is that even possible?

Why isn’t everybody in agreement that all the fighters of today are athletically and technically superior to all that came before them??


You are talking absolute nonsense, and it’s very easy to shut down your opinions. The evidence is there for all to see.

 

Talent pool and the hunger of the talent isn’t there as much.

more money is thrown at the sport which has improved the amateur system, however as society has developed, less serious people compete in boxing as it’s a poor man’s sport.

 

Two prime skilled HOF boxers not scared of fighting each other. Rare to see. Would have both made Canelo look silly.

Beterbiev vs Bivol is the closest fight that comes to mind in recent times, but Beterbiev was past prime, so not quite as good.

Dog**** like Pac vs Floyd is marketing and promotion, but not great boxing.

 

Yes, rare, but some maintain the sweet science. Eg Chocolatito.

 

Add in a different general life, mental-strength attitude of past generations to that too for further analogy.

 

I dunno if I answered this or not.

Yes

Not like you think


Boxers fight the way the rules and atmosphere of the time allows. Standing there stupidly looking stupid while you swap punches to the dome was never a good way to fight except it was once the way to fight that put asses in seats.

Likewise, Floyd Mayweather is a product of his time, public, rules etc. Do you think maybe if he might had to fight men who kicked him with 4 inch cleats he might fight a tad differently? Yeah, I reckon so too. If there was no decisions do you think he'd fight differently? Yup, me too.

The Greeks fought more like modern boxers than the English bare knucklers who fought more like modern MMA fighters. You know why? When was boxing revered as an honorable martial art? Damn bro, that a slam dunk huh?

So if y'all want, I can tell you the deets. I can tell you who the jabroni was who told us not to have sex before fights was, who invented sparring, that sort of detailed explanation, but if you just want to know does boxing evolve to effectiveness, no, it evolves to atmosphere.

That said the evolution you see is real, it's just temporary and leading to nothing superior, just different.

 

It's interesting to note that Jesse Owens record wasn't broken until 1960. When roids were starting to become popular among athletes. Anything after the 1960s should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

My guess is, that in today's huge talent pool there must be many new pro boxers from Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, South- and Middle America, who grew up under no better conditions, than could be found in Europe and the US during boxing's "golden years"... and therefore likely would be just as hungry as the old-timers.

 

True, let’s hope they have some good coaches, managers and promoters to nurture them and get them far enough.