Wilder v Wlad Klitschko

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  1. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    Nice manipulation/propaganda attempt there.
    For around 33 of those fights, he wasn’t a belt holder so was impossible to unify wasn’t it?

    For another about 4 fights the belts were in limbo with fury/wlad. wlad lost the belt to fury and fury refused to defend them.

    So we can exclude around 37 of your big 48 number. it’s sly tactics like this that aim manipulate people’s impression.

    He turned pro and won a title same years as fury, albeit he fought more regularly during that period as a strategy. He managed to be a much better champion than fury.
     
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  2. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    like rahman? that guy is easily superior to wilder.
     
  3. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Okay to cut through all of you excuses for your butt buddy no he never did fight a unification fight ever. Furthermore Joshua fought his world title fight in his 15th fight and unified by his 17th? so why did it take Wilder over twice as long to to even fight for one belt nevermind unification? Oh that's right after 33 fight and a championship belt he won off a guy who never even beat a champ.

    Oris it as his team said he is a baby champion like his promoter said. and apparently he needs to be protected from the big scary men who can actually box." and how was he a much better champion then did he ever dare to be great and try to unify? I don't care for Fury or Joshua but at leats they had thr ball enough to try. Wait was is ir wilder beating women that you consider him abgreat champion, or is wanting to kill someone in the ring or the fact that all of his wins are against bums and old men. Every time he stepped up he showed he did not belong. Because he never did anything in the ring to be great.

    On a side note why didn't he fight Charles Martin for a title it was an in-house fight so should of been easy to make but yet he didn't even try pretty damn telling.
     
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  4. Matt0029

    Matt0029 Member Full Member

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    I think if they fought now it would be competitive
     
  5. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    Are you really this dense?
    Calmly I will answer your questions but please, no more. I’m sick of explaining basic stuff to an apparent boxing fan. I’m not his butt buddy, he may have been with someone in your house the vendetta you have against him.

    no he never fought a unification fight, that doesn’t mean the end of the world. he was in talks for some but they didn’t happen. That’s the business of boxing, things don’t always happen when critics want them to.

    AJ was an Olympic gold medalist, backed by Britain and Hearn (one of biggest promoters in the world) who put a lot of money behind AJ to fast track him to a world title.
    I congratulate AJ for this achievement, he is celebrated for it, but tho was an anomaly and not the norm.

    it took wilder 6 years to become world champ
    It took fury 6 years to become champ
    It took wlad 4 years (and 35 fights with a loss) -blown up middleweight Chris Byrd who fights at heavy for the money
    It took Canelo 6 years and 35 fights to beat Matthew Hatton
    It took AJ 3 years and 16 fights

    well done AJ, it doesn’t make anyone else trash. go look at more boxing and if you think people are trash for taking longer than 16 fights to become world champ, I’m afraid your gonna be suprised.

    He was a better champion because he fought, he was more active.
    Hence him and fury turning pro the same year
    Both won a title the same year
    One defended it 3x, one defended 10x
    One had more fights than the other.
    Guess who?

    if you haven’t realised, these balls from fighters appear when mr turki treats them with respect and then pays them more than ever.
    Had he been around 10-20 years ago, I’m sure we would’ve seen better fights.
    It’s not the fighters, it’s the pay cheques making fights.

    your hanging onto that one quote of Finkel, your ignoring the many quotes and actions when fights were trying to be made.
    When you understand fighters are built and how this works, you may understand why a statement like that may be made after a guy won his first world title fight.

    Was he scared of Charles Martin now?
    If the conspiracy some believe wilder is in the centre of exists, why didn’t they get him to ko charles for a unification? good point.
    But I don’t think it’s because wilder may have lost or been scared. Most likely, it just didn’t happen.

    people forget, during those days, many fighters openly said they didn’t want to fight wilder because they didn’t want to go out on a stretcher.
     
  6. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Are you really that dense? Now there is only one. common denominator in all the negotiations failing and that is Wilder and his team not exactly the flex you think it is bud.

    2. Wilder was an Olympic medalist with Goldenboy with
    HBO then Al Haymon with PBC and Showtime and more. So what's the difference again? Wilder had a good story to sell the press and that is what they were on the way of doing, before Wilder messed that up by beating and choking that woman in Vegas.

    3. Yes it took Wilder, an Olympic medalist 6 years to step up not a flex. Wlad did it 2 years sooner ans AJ 3 years? So all 3 were Olympic medalist Wlad and Wilder both with 30+ fights And to still apparently one was was a baby and just a prospect after winning the WBC according to his handlers.

    4. Chrys Byrd has a better record against top ten heavies then Wilder. Lol and a two time cham is Wilder?

    5. Fury was retired and is irrelevant for this topic. Also beating 8 bums and one old man off his heart meds isn't a great feat.

    6. What actions were Wilder and his team actually making you have any proof? Or are you talking out your backside without hard evidence.

    7. So you don't think of wilder wanted the Martin fight they wouldn't of given it to him even though they have same manager and promoter please....

    8. Name the top heavys who said they were scared of Wilder at the time.
     
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  7. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    Look at the previous posts by myself and other posters, I can’t be bothered repeating the same stuff.
     
  8. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol sure bud. just tuck your tail and go away.
     
  9. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    Well I don’t see a point going round in circles with a dense stubborn person. It doesn’t improve my life one bit.

    If that’s your aim in life, knock yourself out. good luck
     
  10. Cafe

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    They sparred and Wlad KTFO Wilder apparently
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    What exactly is being debated here? They're light years apart in terms of both ability, resume and a H2H match up for them would end extremely badly for The Dosser. Wlad already knocked him out in the gym when they sparred and any version of Wlad would spark him out cold in a round in a real fight. There aren't just levels between them there are levels and levels in between those levels.

    The Dosser beat a grand total of TWO world champions in 48 fights and one of them was shot to hell and 2-4 in their last 6 fights, 3 of those losses via KO or stoppage

    And the other is Stiverne who is one of the worst HW champions of all time and he has never beaten a former, current or future champion himself