Inoue & Usyk: we're spoiled

Inoues resume sucks dude. Agreed, it’s not his fault, but it’s not Floyd, Manny, or other former greats fault either. I will say Inoues resume is impressive, and a fighter less special than him wouldn’t go through it undefeated - but you’re not comparing him to any fighter, or even any current top ranked fighter… you’re comparing him to bonafide top tier ATGs…

Im not gonna sit here and try to explain to you why wins over MAB, JMM, and Morales are superior to Fulton, let alone moving up to weight classes Inoue has never and likely will never venture and getting great wins there…..

Also, didn’t you say something about how being undefeated wasn’t the end all be all? Pac proved beyond his losses he was great, time over time…

Agreed on Usyk, he was fortunate to have a good proving ground, and passed with flying colors. He could be ranked as highly as you want to and there’s a good argument for it.

I love both these guys, just want to reiterate that. How could you be a boxing fan and not love these guys?

 

The fights that got away sadly. I would have liked to have seen Inoue against Kazuto Ioka or Donnie Nietes as well. A younger, inexperienced Inoue still would have had a great chance to beat all of them, even Chocolatito. That's how talented Inoue is.

But as is the best thing Inoue can do to make up for that is to clean out Super Bantamweight and then clean out Featherweight, which I think he's capable of doing.

 

But you can't say they would
I could equally say put bellew, Fury, Joshua and briedis in with Pacquiao and they get crushed

 

I completely understand where you’re coming from, and when it comes to conventional boxing I might agree…

But I see a lot of value in guys who had a unique style and “broke the rules” and were able to achieve greatness with it. Many times, we can chalk this up to crazy natural gifts - but I feel like Pacs continuing to win so far above his natural size shows that he was very skillful in spite of his often awkward and unconventional style.

This is something that’s kind of hard to prove one way or the other and we can agree to disagree on, because I totally get where you’re coming from.

When I think “master boxer” I picture people like Inoue and Terence Crawford, not Pacquiao.

 

I like how you put it here, and think I can get with this more than OP. Haha!

 

But you did say on your original post that both are better

Mayweathers punch stats are far superior to Usyk, look it up and Inoue has not close to the competition of Manny or climbed the same weights

I agree both are amazing, but I counter your point about both being better than Floyd and Manny. That's my opinion, you and many others may disagree, that's perfectly fine

But you said we will have to wait a long time for someone even close to usyk and inoue, but again Floyd and manny are not long retired and by your words, we already have better fighters

Boxing will always move on. It will be different divisions at different times, but greats always rise

 

More rounded at getting punched in the face, I agree

 

Truth is we are lucky to have fighters like inoue, previously we were more lucky and there were more active fighters with sublime skills

 

Neither have fought pacs level
Also neither have the punch accuracy of Floyd vs lesser guys lol

Being well rounded doesn't mean greater, your post says nobody coming along is going to be as well rounded, you don't know that

Ali did many things wrong, as have other greats, but they still won their fights

Floyd and manny are ranked higher for all time than both inoue and usyk. We can agree or disagree on that, but come back in 10 years look at most analysts and fans p4p lists and i guarantee pacquiao and Floyd will be higher thought of for the vast majority