Inoue & Usyk: we're spoiled

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  1. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We are lucky to have all these guys
    Mu original point was, imo better fighters (or at least equal) have not long retired and others will come
     
  2. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boxing fans were already spoiled with Mayweather and Pacquiao and before that we had RJJ and Mike Tyson. And before that there was the Fab 4. And so on. Every era is going to have ATG level talents. At the end of the day there's really no reason to be comparing fighters in all honesty. Whoever you think is greater/better is just a matter of opinions.

    Just enjoy the fighters that we have right now who are still active and bringing a lot of excitement to the sport. I'm certainly enjoying Usyk and Inoue's continuous dominant reign.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    True, but you're forgetting there were some big gaps in there. It wasn't like the F4's primes stretched out to coincide with Tyson's, nor his with RJJ's, nor RJJ's with PBF's, etc. There were dead zones. We're probably soon entering a dead zone, is my thesis statement here. There will be active fighters relatively more special than any of the rest - but I'm very skeptical they'll be as special as Inoue or Usyk. :thumbsup:
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'd argue the entire early and middle-to-late 2010's was a dead zone, in fact. Mayweather and Pacquiao met years after fans wanted it, and when we finally got it, it kind of fizzled against those overcooked expectations. Both were at their absolute peaks in the late aughts, when the fight was first being discussed. By their encounter in 2015, aside from their biggest ride-or-die fanatics, both were kind of stale acts on their way out with their abilities diminishing before our eyes...and it would still be a few years until Usyk and Inoue broke out as top p4p mainstays and global stars (starting with probably cruiser unification and moving up to HW for the former, and Donaire I for the latter)

    Who are the main p4p guys from that era? Golovkin, Lomachenko, Canelo, Ward, Kovalev ...uh, Rigondeaux, Froch, Yamanaka, Mikey García? Good fighters, some of them even very good, but none of them Usyk or Inoue good (great).
     
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    We also had a prime Chocolatito during that time as well.
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    True, good shout. I've always been a big González fan, but don't remotely like his chances for survival against Inoue when the overlap between them made sense (2018ish). Just like Ioka, he's terrific, but a level below Inoue (revisiting the concept of being more conventionally skilled but a lesser total package) and would get flattened by him h2h.
     
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    Usyk by late KO, Inoue is just too damn small man.
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes agreed Adam people are a bit too quick to jump on the bandwagon when neither fighter has even retired yet and could yet still lose and their stock could plummet significantly.

    Inoue is great and regarding eye test he looks sensational but his best win is against Donaire who was on the wrong side of 30 who'd already been beaten multiple times convincingly.

    Usyk is also great but again his best win is against a Fury on the wrong side of 30 who was coming off almost losing to an MMA fighter.

    I may be young in my 20s but I've lived through an era of the likes of Pacquiao, Hopkins, JMM, Mayweather, etc. So I don't see how I'm getting spoiled now to be quite honest.

    I don't see that Inoue is doing anything better than what Pacquiao was doing and Pacquiao was doing it against greats unlike Inoue.

    Or when Hopkins was being highly successful in a higher weightclass aka Light Heavyweight in his 40s.

    I wasn't born during Holyfield’s era but he was also consistently fighting bigger Heavyweights aswell. And was having to face the likes of a prime Bowe, Lewis, and Holyfield was past his best vs a prime Lewis aswell.

    Usyk has fought....

    Joshua, Chisora, Fury past his prime, Dubois.

    Holyfield has fought.....

    Prime Lewis, prime Bowe, Tyson, Mercer, Foreman old but won lineal title after, Holmes old but came within 1 point of winning world title 3 years after, Moorer, Dokes.

    Have we been spoilt now compared to recent eras in the last 20 or 30 years or so ? I don't think so.
     
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  9. Anima

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    Inoue fought 3 times in 8 months. All contenders if it wasnt for goodman backing out.

    He can clean out 126lbs too. 3 weight undisputed would be nuts.
     
  10. AdamT

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    I agree fully with your post, as usual very balanced and full of facts

    Are inoue and Usyk amazing? Yes
    Are they ATG? Looking likely especially usyk
    Are they something I haven't seen before in the last 3 decades? No

    Every era has greats and after these guys are long gone, the next flavour of the month will be fighters never seen before!
     
  11. Joeywill

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    Don't forget Crawford

    3 2x undisputed champions

    If Crawford beats Canelo he is the P4P Goat
     
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  12. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Goat of the era for sure if he beats canelo, but he won't receive same credit for some obvious reasons I won't put here, as will get banned
     
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    This. I felt similarly during the GGG era, much to the chagrin of the Golovkin nuthuggers.
     
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  14. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think he'd be the goat of any era

    We are talking about a natural welterweight beating the top super middle weight of the last 10 years (I know Canelo is ducking Benavidez) and still a pound for pound fighter

    Think people are taking this for granted

    This would be the equivalent of Floyd Mayweather fighting GGG or Bernard Hopkins a little past their primes
     
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    The "obvious reasons" you alluded to with respect to Crawford apply to Usyk as well, only in reverse.
     
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