AJ vs. Fury resume

So? Holmes was Ali's sparring partner. Hrgović was Dubois sparring partner. It's a very lazy way to discredit a Top 10 win.

 

I still think Wilder ages well. A older Wilder with way more wear and tear losing doesn't mean it's not a good win IMO.

And in the first fight Fury was legit just coming back and he puts in a performance like that.

 

Yeah, he just fought Klitschko in his 19th fight when he was 26, lol.

 

They are both overrated, to an extent

I would go with Fury. He beat Wlad first (big asterisk with avoiding the rematch though and the fight was dreadful). That said, he won the title off Wlad on away soil so it’s a great achievement. Wilder fights were good wins. Obviously Wilder has been found out since but he was heavily hyped when Fury fought him, especially with the lay off.

Probably a few more top 10’s on AJs resume but has had his clock cleaned a few times too which doesn’t help. Fury was never beaten pillar to post by Ruiz and you can’t ignore the losses.

 

But on the other hand, Fury didn't fight Ruiz nor Dubois did he? If you test yourself more, you're more likely to get found out. So it just shows Fury has a top heavy but really shallow resume. When you compare H2H AJ usually did better against common opposition.

 

I have to agree with Bubbles on this - IMO Fury and Johsua's wins against Wlad both have asterisks against them, and a case can be made for either.

+ Fury - Wlad was long running HW champ, and was dethroned in his own backyard
- Fury - Wlad looked REALLY out of sorts in that fight, and whilst plenty of credit to Fury, there was well documented things outside the ring that backs up Wlad's claim that he was not 100% and would have been MUCH better in the rematch that never happened...
+ Joshua - Wlad LOOKED much better after his rest, and seemed farless gunshy and more active against Joshua
- Joshua - Wlad was out for a long period and arguably let Joshua off the hook after the booming right hand that put him to the canvas in round 6. I blame Vitali for that as he asked Wlad to stay cautious which let Joshu regroup and find a second wind.
- Fury - the fight against Wlad was maybe THE worst heavyweight title fight I can remember, it was dull as dishwater, Wlads reticence to engage and Fury's happiness to not push his own work made for a really disappointing encounter.
- Joshua, Wlad was older and arguably that was telling in the later rounds...
- Fury - personal opinion, but I think Fury KNEW he got a below par Wlad at the right time, and was not confident of a win in a rematch with a focussed Wladimir. I don't doubt the mental issues and spiraling, but I think there are a LOT of unanswered questions there for me

 

Watch the Klitschko v Jennings fight prior to the Klitschko v Fury fight,that was a far worse fight with the crowd booing and even JB saying in the corner this is bad,this is bad .
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/04/klitschko-vs-jennings-early-results/

 

I don’t think Wilder was better than Povetkin at any point.

 

Neither’s is great, Fury’s is better though

I’m surprised people are still actually claiming AJ’s win over Wlad was better, it’s a debate that’s been done to death and settled already.

It’s also interesting how people have largely retconned AJ-Parker as some sort of great or elite win for AJ when it absolutely was not, ignoring that Parker looked mediocre to terrible in the 3 fights beforehand (Ruiz, Cojanu, Hughie), went on to lose his next fight against Whyte, and in the fight itself, 1) AJ was protected by his bodyguard referee and 2) Parker put up yet another mediocre uninspired performance, in line with all of his other performances around that era.

2020 Wilder was a one trick pony but even then he was leagues ahead of 2018 Parker

 

Well Wladimir was the reigning champion and the A-side calling all the shots. Fury went over to Germany with Wlads own ref and beat him. Wald looked below par because he lost the fight.

Wlad also looked below par against AJ, he couldn't finish him off and he gassed heavily. It's not even a debate tbh.

 

From the second Wilder had the WBC belt until the second he lost it, Wilder was ranked in the top 3 the whole time. Povetkin wasn't, Wilder was.

 

I think they're pretty even to be honest, similar in different ways.
Fury has bigger individual wins (Wlad when he was champ, I also give him some credit for Wilder 1 as he was still viewed as an undefeated danger man at the time). But his resume is quite thin beyond that. While AJ has more depth, albeit arguably at a slightly lower, but steady level.
So I do view their resumes as fairly similar, though for some reason Fury appears to get more credit.

 

Fury’s willingness to fight Whyte, Chisora and Big Frank instead of higher level competition was a bit disappointing.

 

That’s a very black and white literal way of looking at it.

 

Well Wilder was literally ranked over Povetkin during the time frame in question.