Better resume Ali vs Mayweather

These are the facts:

1. Floyd dragged a 36 year old LW up 2 divisions, before deliberately cheating him on the scales.

2. Floyd enforced a C-W on a fellow champion from the SAME division.

3. Floyd put up every roadblock to delay fighting Manny, before then taking an illegal IV before they finally fought.

4. Floyd would never have taken the risks and put himself in the kinds of situations that Ali did.

5. More importantly than all of the above, you are an absolute imbecile.

 

Top 3?

Ridiculous.

 

So you’re just going to ignore everything else?

Who cares if he had a longer reign?

He had a longer reign than Lennox and Ali.

So let’s put him higher then.

Except that wouldn’t be logical would it.

Because we don’t just debate on statistics.

 

We could have a great debate.

But to be honest, I don’t think that you’re capable of having an intellectual, objective debate.


You’re very much like No Neck.

You debate primarily on statistics, without allowing for circumstances/context.


Different criteria?

Just use traditional ranking criteria which is what every knowledgeable fan uses, which has been around for years.


Look at the whole picture.

Not just a title reign/stats, with zero context applied.


It’s laughable to have Wlad that high.

 

Not adresses to me, but the IV and the catch weight were crap, I agree. And they do detract from those wins.

The fight not happening in 2010 is a bit unclear who to blame for, though. The tests were a perfectly reasonable demand, but the business with the IV does cast the suspicion that Floyd made it because he knew how to cheat those tests.

And it's not like Floyd's resume in any way rests on the Marquez win. No one who isn't on my ignore has mentioned it so far. But I don't see any reason to believe that the three year older Marquez who iced Pac was better than the one Floyd absolutely outclassed. Or the four year older who gave Bradley a good fight. Rather the opposite, of course.

 

3??

Ha!

 

The tests weren’t reasonable.

1. Nobody else was tested in that way.

2. He demanded them and implied something sinister.

3. Even if Manny was guilty, fighters don’t take PEDS during camp.


Everything was a delay tactic.


They couldn’t agree the number of cut off days.

Manny then relented, but they suddenly weren’t available anymore.


Then it was a flat fee, for the entire share of PPV revenue.


Then Manny agreed to everything in 2013, yet the fight didn’t happen until 2015.


Yet decades earlier, Ali fought a prime Foreman when he was faded, before then fighting a prime Holmes where he was completely shot.

You can’t even compare these guys.


Regarding Marquez, it’s not about the quality of the different versions of him.

It’s about Floyd’s actions.

 

The tests were reasonable in as as much testing as possible is. But, as I said, the later business with the IV suggests an agenda from Floyd's part, so that casts a shadow over that demand.

And, yes, there's a lot to say about Floyd's actions. But the way he dominated JMM was still very impressive.

 

But nobody else tested that way.

Floyd had never tested any of his other fighters that way.

The way he demanded the tests, clearly implying that Manny was dirty, with zero proof, were not in any reasonable.

He could have gone about the whole process differently.


Again, they were also completely pointless.


The ONLY way to try and clear up the sport, is to do RANDOM, ALL YEAR round testing.


Signing a contract and employing a body like USADA, to test during an already PLANNED 8-10 week window, is absolutely meaningless.

 

The performance was very impressive, as he was very sharp after a long lay off.

That was impressive.

He looked great.

However, he was facing a 36 year old LW at WW.

 

Yes. Who would show himself to be up there with best of the WW division at 38 and 39 years of age.

 

If it was, why then did Manny refuse?

 

Were do you have him?

 

He was never a legit WW.

He went there for the money and the Manny fight.


Just because he beat a faded Manny at WW a few years later, that doesn’t mean that what Floyd did was fine.

He dragged him up, cheated him at the weight, and then Marquez went straight back down to LW for a while afterwards.


It was a BS move.

We’re comparing a guy who did stuff like that, to a guy who fought a prime Foreman, where people were literally fearing for his life.

 

Just behind Audley Harrison.

I couldn’t really separate them, but I think that Audley had nicer hair.