CMV: I think Usyk beats any version of Ali

That wasn't against you, my guy. It was the other way around. He was the one who didn't get it. Which I guess makes me a spaceship cuz he liked it.

 

Tyson and Holyfield lose a close decision, Bowe barely beat Donald who is a cheap knockoff Ali, you must be trolling on that one. Wlad and Holmes do have a good shot at beating Ali

Fury ? lol You've been discredited.

 

I’m a Usyk fan but the sheer irony in suggesting that Ali is overrated vs the obvious overrating of Usyk’s chances against this that and the other former ATG HW is laughable.

 

Bowe barely beat Tubbs. Donald didn't come close to winning.

 

First of all, neither guy has ever seen anything like the other.


Ali never saw such a skilled southpaw in his entire career.

Likewise, Usyk has never ever seen anybody with that level of speed, with such an unorthodox style.


You say there’s nothing that Usyk couldn’t have dealt with, yet he’s simply never faced anything like a prime Ali.


Both had respectable power, but not huge power.

This would have been a technical chess match, where they’d have gone feint for feint.


You’ve mentioned a few things here which aren’t really relevant.

Yes, Ali was vulnerable to Frazier’s left hook, and his relentless, aggressive style.

Yet Usyk doesn’t possess those same attributes.

Usyk nullifying Fury’s uppercut also has zero relevance here.


Usyk does not have impregnable fundamentals.


You think that a 60’s Ali would have made it competitive?

He’d have made more than just competitive.


You are giving Usyk far too much credit here, whilst completely glossing over the fact that Ali had much faster hand speed, much faster feet, and much faster reflexes.


If it’s a technical fight, between two guys of the exact same height, reach, weight and power, then I’d go with the faster, more elusive and proven one of the two.

 

The defence of your arguments read like an advertisement for condoms.

 

*reads

 

Not an argument try again later

 

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Present tense, bud.

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/george-foreman-from-the-90s-vs-zhang-zhilei.702443/page-5

 

I remember someone on here claimed Joe Joyce would beat Ali

 

Let’s be honest though.

You label guys like myself as being a bit nostalgic, yet you yourself can show recency bias.

Yes, there’s certain things that Usyk could have exploited.

But it works vice versa too.

Ali had exceptional speed and an unorthodox style.

Usyk would have found that very problematic, as he wasn’t a powerful pressure fighter.

You’ve got to realise, that as great as Usyk is, he too would also have difficult fights against certain HW’s.

You won’t accept that though.

You won’t accept that Usyk would have had issues with guys like Frazier and Tyson, on the grounds that they were small, and Usyk has beaten much larger fighters.

I don’t believe that there’s any HW in history who could have beaten every other great HW in history.

It’s not realistic.

Because there’s just too many great fighters, and too many different styles to overcome.

Yes, Ali can get overrated. 100%

But you yourself overrate Usyk too.

Regarding Ali vs Usyk in a H2H fight, you’d have gotten two guys who haven’t seen anyone like each other.

Never.

Two great athletes, with the same height and reach.

Two guys with a similar level of power.

It would have been a chess match.

A southpaw with a conventional style, vs an orthodox, unconventional style, along with exceptional speed.

It would have been a very intriguing fight.

 

Usyk is great.

It would have been a good fight.

 

I consider Usyk one of the most skilled heavyweights ever i don't think that's a crazy thing to say tbh. There are certain boxers that might give him trouble but not too many I would say. And Ali would definitely be a tough fight but I think he can overcome it but that's just my opinion feel free to disagree