Better resume Ali vs Mayweather

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Better Resume

  1. Muhammad Ali

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  2. Floyd Mayweather Jr

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  1. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The crazy thing about the "trickery" is Ali "tricked" Angelo Dundee, Bundini Brown, Sandy Saddler, and Archie Moore. Together they had nearly one hundred and seventy five years or so of boxing experience. If the movie "Ali" is to be believed Don King wasn't "tricked" nor was Tony Sheridan who was calling the fight.
     
  2. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yup. Not even worth discussing.
     
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  3. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Boxing is absolutely full of huge fights that never happen or don't happen when they should have.

    It's difficult to see why Floyd critics would obsess over him not fighting Pacquiao earlier when so many huge fights don't ever materialize or do so too late.

    Holyfield should have faced Lewis by 1996
    Duran should have fought Hearns in 1980
    Leonard should have fought Hagler in 1982
    Robinson should have fought Burley, Williams etc

    Moreover Mayweather was already fighting above his best weight and probably past prime or at least nearing the end of his prime by the time this took place
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, there’s been lots of big fights that never materialised.

    Some of them had valid reasons why. Some not so much.

    This one however, was the biggest grossing fight in history, between the best 2 P4P fighters in the world.

    Fighting at the same time, in the same weight class, against the same opponents.

    It was a huge miss.

    And it was there to be made.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I voted Mayweather. Did not expect to be in the vast minority
     
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  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Beating the pfp 2 when you're the 1 still counts as beating the best fighter in the sport other than yourself, bud.
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nobody has said otherwise.

    That’s not the debate being had is it.
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I can think of a guy who didn't come close to beating a top pfp guy.
     
  9. Loudon

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    That’s nice.
     
  10. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This thread is intense lol
     
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  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It’s Mike McCallum.
     
  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Really?

    You mean in the top 10 P4P?

    Or within his weight class?

    Mike was a genius.

    Many people had him beating Toney.
     
  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I guess Mike "came close" in the literal sense against Toney, but he didn't come close in terms of his actual wins.

    Also, Muhammed Ali.
     
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Okay.

    A surprising twist in the thread.

    What is your point?


    What were the P4P rankings of the time?


    Floyd may have those stats, but he never fought a prime ATG.

    And deep down, you know that.


    Corrales isn’t an ATG.

    Nobody but you believes that Canelo was in his prime against Floyd.

    Canelo was in his prime between the back end of his MW reign, and his early move up to SMW.
     
  15. Cojimar 1946

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    In the scheme of things though Pacquiao wasn't a great welterweight and probably didn't belong in the weight class to begin with where he was badly outsized.

    If Pacquiao was such a great welterweight why did he lose to a near 40 year old Marquez who did nothing at the weight other than beat Pacquiao?