Better resume/greater fighter: Floyd Mayweather or Barney Ross

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Ioakeim Tzortzakis, Jan 28, 2025.


Greater fighter:

  1. Ross

    74.4%
  2. Mayweather

    25.6%
  1. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Which of these 2 greats ranks higher all time ?
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Can we get an overview of Ross' resume?
     
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  3. Melankomas

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    I think Ross' wins over two P4P juggernauts in McLarnin and Canzoneri give him a good case for being slightly ahead of Floyd.
     
  4. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah man, sure:

    2-0 over Tony Canzoneri
    2-1 over Jimmy McLarnin
    3-0 over Cafefino Garcia
    2-0 over Billy Petrolle
    2-0 over Bobby Pacho
    0-1 vs Armstrong

    Singular wins over over guys like Battling Battalino, Frankie Klick, Izzy Jannazzo, Joe Ghounly and Baby Joe Gans. Also 2 draws, one over Harry Dublinsky when both were still unranked, and one to Frankie Klick.
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    At a glance, it seems like he was only doing his thing for like four years whereas Mayweather was around for a decade and a half and covered more of a climb in weight too.
     
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  6. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True, Floyd lasted for much longer. But he did also fight at about 1/3 of the pace Ross did, fighting twice a year compared to fighting 6-7 times a year as champion. I think activity should at least be considered.
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Ross by a decent margin for resume alone, but Floyd's pretty close for greatness. I have Ross at twelve or thirteen, and Floyd at about twenty seven, twenty eight. Really, the difference is Ross is just what Mayweather fans think Floyd is.
     
  8. NoNeck

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    In 1933, he had three meaningful fights, winning them.
    In 34, he had four with a loss and a draw included.
    In 35, he had four and won them all.
    For 36, 37, and 38, it looks like he fought a bunch of journeymen, had two good wins during that time, and then lost Armstrong.

    It’s not that impressive of an activity level if you only count boxers who were good enough to have serious Wikipedia entries.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    If Guerrero fought 80 years ago, he wouldn't have much of a Wikipedia entry either.

    If Gatti fought that long ago we wouldn't even know his name.
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Sure he would’ve. PFP top ten don’t lie.
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    :lol:

    Guerrero or Gatti wouldn't be top 50 P4P in Ross' era. In fact, why on earth was he ranked top 10 in his own? There's no way boxing was so shallow that there wasn't 10 fighters than Robert Guerrero
     
  12. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm counting like 16 significant wins for Ross while Floyd has at least 20 over multiple divisions with many fighters bigger then him so gonna have to give it to Floyd PfP.
     
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  13. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wikipedia pages for non ATG or HoF worthy fighters that fought almost 100 years ago ? You're just being intellectually dishonest here. Baby Joe Gans was at one point a divisional #1 and he doesn't have a wiki page. David Jaco has several paragraphs on wikipedia about him, and he is a fighter with a 20-25 record who just happened to fight Mike Tyson on his way up.

    Fights are still fights, they take a toll on the body. Some of the guys that Ross fought in 36-37, like Chuck Woods x2, Gordon Wallace and Jackie Burke were very close to being top 10 ranked, and were very experienced men with each one having more than 60 fights. They most certainly would have been solid contenders in today's era. The level of activity against guys like that most certainly matters.
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    Do you consider the number of wins to be more impressive than the names of the wins?
     
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  15. ThatOne

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    I like how the IBHOf separates old timers and modern boxers. It's like comparing George Mikan to Nikola Jokic.
     
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