CMV: I think Usyk beats any version of Ali

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  1. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Norton a better comparison
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I couldn't care less.

    I asked for your opinion.

    Judges aren't perfect.

    Some of them are clearly either corrupt or incompetent.

    I'm sure that you agreed with the one score from the Canelo-Floyd fight.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I thought it was a reasonable set of cards.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    The authority?

    It is a very SIMPLE observation.

    WHO other than yourself, is even going to dispute that for even a SECOND??

    Usyk does not possess HUGE power at HW.

    As far as I'm concerned, that is factual information.

    You're now arguing just for the sake of it.
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    The only hot take is the 10-7.

    I think Usyk--Fury 1 was his hardest fight because he was pretty far in the hole and had to dig himself out including the knockdown to barely win. I should rewatch the Breidis win though bc I barely remember it other than that it was competitive but clear.
     
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  6. Loudon

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    Really?

    So you agreed with the C J Ross card, which had the Floyd- Canelo fight a draw?
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    No, I don't.

    But I'm sure that the judges are more reliable than a guy who rants on a niche boxing message board more often than not.
     
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  8. Loudon

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    You have just said that you thought that they were reasonable cards.

    Now you've changed your mind.

    So which is it??

    And NOBODY thinks that that fight was a draw.

    Ross' card was HORRIFIC.
     
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  9. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not huge but enough to bother Frazier
     
  10. OddR

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    There was a stretch were Uysk had no clue what to do to be fair. Fury looked in the zone in that R4-R7 stretch.

    With Breidis it felt like Uysk had to always be thinking and throwing he couldn't really take a break.
     
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  11. Loudon

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    It's not about bothering him.

    It's about being able to have disposed of him, so that he didn't swarm at you at every second.

    Foreman man handled him and kept dropping him, before stopping him.

    But Ali didn't have the power to have done that. So Frazier kept going at him, making the fights very problematic.

    The same would have applied to Usyk.

    Usyk could have beaten him, but it would have been a very difficult style for him to have dealt with.
     
  12. OddR

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    Yeah a bit of a hot take there but I really think it was a 10-7 sorry to quote again.
     
  13. themaster458

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    I think Usyk footwork is good enough to keep Frazier at a distance and his power enough to make sure Frazier can't just keep coming at him
     
  14. Loudon

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    Absolute nonsense.

    Ali had superior footwork, superior speed, and about the same level of power as what Usyk has.

    And Ali couldn't keep him from swarming all over him.

    Usyk could not have kept Frazier at a disatance.

    Who kept him at a distance, and stopped him from coming in?

    You had to get rid of him in order to do that.
     
  15. themaster458

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    Usyk has better footwork on a technical level less wasted movement and equal level of footspeed at his best and more power he has the tools to keep Frazier off him