If Crawford beats Canelo he is the P4P Goat

Yeah I agree that Canelo has a better resume overall but I'm more impressed with Toney's best wins against Jirov, McCallum, Nunn, than Canelo's best wins.

You also have to take into account Canelo has benefitted with some highly controversial decisions vs Lara, Trout, Golovkin.

In my personal opinion I don't think Canelo won any of the fights above so I guess that's down to your perspective on how you see those fights.

 

I'm not saying Crawford's win vs Canelo wouldn't be better but they've still would've beaten the same opponent. And Mayweather's resume is still considerably better than Crawford's overall so I don't see Crawford being above Mayweather even if he beats Canelo.

 

Well Canelo hasn't impressed in any of his fights for quite sometime he's also past his best and hasn't had a stoppage win in 4 years so that works both ways IMO.

 

I dunno about that.....

Quartey hit damn hard and had a piston like left jab I'm not sure Spence would hold up to this power.

Forrest who dominated Mosley ? I think Spence would have alot of trouble with his height and reach.

The Starling who pitched a shut out vs Honeyghan ? Again debatable Starling has a rock solid defence it depends if Spence can solve the puzzle maybe with his body punching ?

 

Joey I can't agree with you on this.

In regards to their top end wins Mayweather has.....

Pacquiao
Hatton
Cotto
ODLH
Corrales
Canelo

Crawford's top end wins assuming he beats Canelo would be....

Spence
Porter
Postol
Canelo
Gamboa
Madrimov = We have to wait and see how this win ages.

I think Mayweather's top end wins are considerably better personally.

As for close decisions Mayweather had 2 vs Maidana 1, Castillo 1. The 1st Castillo fight was controversial but I think most people felt Mayweather beat Maidana in a close fight.

 

I don't agree because Porter was inactive and semi retired by that point and was never considered the top dog in his division.

Hill is a lower tier great and was considered the best Light Heavyweight in the world for a good few years he won over 20 World title fights.

I think Hill is considerably better than Porter in regards to historical rating and the context of the win.

Crawford was in a back and forth very competitive fight vs Porter that was close.

RJJ stopped Hill early with a single body shot in one of the most brutal KO's in history.

 

Jirov was considered the number 1 Cruiserweight in the world its a very significant win for Toney especially moving up in weight.

Postol is nothing special ? Why do you think he's better than Johnson even at Light Heavyweight ?

Johnson is far more talented than Postol and on a P4P basis he would more than likely beat Postol in a H2H match up.

 

The bold read is all that matters.

Terence is great, because of his official accolades. It's silly to judge him based on guys who fought well before his time as a competitor as Crawford has always gunned for the best opponents (champions) in the division he is competing in.

Going off of what he's actually done.......
-4 division champion.
-3x Lineal.
-2x Undisputed.
-2x Fighter of the Year.
-2x ESPY Award Winner.
-10x world champion.
-Victories over 12 world champions.
----6 were undefeated going into the fight.
----2 were ranked top 5 p4p by every major boxing sanction on fight night.......

If we can only judge him on what he's actually done and based on his OFFICIAL accolades.....What I've wrote above should shut up all the nonsense about how credible his resume is. Everything there is documented in the history of the sport. But there are a lot who have a personal distain on Crawford because maybe he beat their favorite fighter, is compared to their favorite fighter, and/or has accomplished what their favorite fighter couldn't accomplish. So everything I wrote above means nothing to them because it was Terence Bud Crawford who accomplished it and not their favorite fighter.

So without the opinions being applied to this conversation.....what are we debating?

 

With all due respect (and I have to respect the OP's enthusiasm about Crawford challenging Canelo, this is what being a boxing fan is about), beating Canelo might not even take Crawford past Usyk in my book. I'd rate that Canelo win as the best single win but Usyk has more elite-level opponents:
Fury x 2
Joshua x 2
Dubois
Briedis
Gassiev
Huck

Compared to
Canelo
Spence Jr
Madrimov
Porter
Postol

In addition, p4p is about size and Crawford is bigger than all his elite opponents except Canelo (@Serge has explained that Crawford and Canelo won't be all that far apart in size) while Usyk is clearly smaller than Fury, Joshua or Dubois.

 

The Canelo Floyd fought was faster, threw far more combinations, had a better gas tank, and was more versatile, than the version today who just comes forward throwing 1-2 bombs. He has regressed for years, which is why he had a competitive 8-4 fight with a bum like Mungia, yet people like you still write the same old stuff like this. Go and rewatch the Floyd fight and compare that Canelo. He was far superior than this version. 43 pro fights and 23 years old is prime. Tyson was in his prime at 20. These myths need to die.