If Crawford beats Canelo he is the P4P Goat

That sounds good, but that is not the definition of prime. An athlete's prime is the point in time of his career where he's at his best. One's peak would be the exact moment you are at your best which would suggest the peak is during your prime.

Just going off of the actual definition of the words, I was confused as to how someone could be at their peak but not in their prime.

 

The point is:

If you don’t know that he can beat guys like that, then he can’t be anywhere near being the GOAT.

The Canelo win would be huge.

But it would also depend upon the manner of the win too.

 

Exactly. And those same people jump back and forth with their opinions on how great/valuable Spence is to the sport. Look at the conversations after he beat Danny Garcia and Ugas....they made it seem like he was a superhero. Indestructible. I remember reading quotes like "a car accident couldn't take out Spence, how is a punch from Crawford going to do anything to him". I personally pointed out that Spence had received ZERO broken bones and/or major surgeries due to the crazy. That is what was reported. Which is a miracle in itself when you look at the video of the crash. But the most damage done to him was the points put on his driver's license and the fines he had to pay for damage of property along with his DUI and court cost. The 2nd accident, NOBODY was hurt. Spence is streaming, bragging about his truck being bullet proof being a reason he didn't get hurt. He's walking around the truck filming.

So one second they are claiming he received all of these physical set backs that take away from his ability to excel in the ring. The next minute none of it effected him as he was still able to beat Danny Garcia & Yordenis Ugas.....2 individuals who lost to Shawn Porter who he barely got passed before the 1st accident. The same Shawn Porter who Crawford was able to stop at the start of the 10th round and send into retirement.

They love to move the goal post when it comes to Crawford. Had Porter retired after the Spence loss, "Porter was physically broaken". But because he retired after the Crawford loss, "Porter had one foot out the door"...."Porter received too much punishment from Spence". A fight that occurred 2 fights prior to the Crawford bout....lol.

 

To be fair to the thread starter he is entitled to this view

Imo he surpasses usyk if he beats canelo, yet many call him the GOAT

I don't see why someone can't equally call bud goat, as he has matched usyks pro career and has stayed unbeaten for longer, with more fights

Right now I Will say usyk edges it, but if bud beats canelo? I will rate him higher

Both ain't GOAT by the way. That's blasphemy to a true goat like Ali and others who had to overcome adversity and win as a major underdog

 

Have you read this post to yourself. Do you not hear how silly that sounds. You are give your OPINION on Crawford and claiming it's FACT....lol. That's hilarious.

You are saying his OFFICIAL ACCOLADES don't matter now?.....lol. Official accolades as in Win/Loss record. Rankings. World Title Bouts. World Championship Belts won. World Champions beaten. Official Awards given for being voted better than his peers in that year (Fighter of the Year & ESPY Awards).......

B Level guys....why, because you don't know shyt about them. Because YOU don't respect their name.... The Boxing Hall of Fame doesn't care about how YOU see his resume, because OFFICIAL ACCOLADES is what they go by to determine if a fighter is worthy of the ultimate honor.

He never beat a prime ATG......lol. The people he's fought, most of them are still competing. ATG (All Time Great) is a matter of personal opinion amongst the fans. It's not an official honor......Hall of Fame is. And so far, one guy that Crawford stopped (and was the only one to stop) has already gotten his nod for the Hall of Fame, and that's Shawn Porter. Other names like Ricky Burns, Errol Spence Jr, & Gamboa may end up getting a nod in time as well.

Beating Hall of Famers in their prime means nothing to anyone except a random poster who is trying to win an argument online with another stranger. Because at the end of the day, there are a bunch of fighters in the Hall of Fame who may have fought another HOFer but that fighter wasn't in their prime. Hell look at Mayweather's career. The biggest names on his resume, Oscar, Canelo, Mosley, Manny, Gatti,....... which one of those names did Floyd fight in their prime?.......

Who are these ATGs that you are referring to...... How big is that list. Guarantee you give me a list a names and I can give you an abundance of names of fighters from that era who fought in the same division who never stepped foot in the ring with those fighters. Do you not know how large the Hall of Fame is....Google it. Your opinion only matters in YOUR argument. Fact.....like actual facts.....data.....OFFICIAL ACCOLADES......are the only thing that matters in history. We respect guys like Floyd, Ward, Hagler, etc...today because of what they gave us while they were competing. Arguments with other fans, depending on YOUR OPINION you can break down their wins, resume, etc.....but none of it matters because the ultimate accomplishment....a Hall of Fame nod......occurred due to their Official Accolades.

That is FACT....... know the definition of the word before you start labeling your argument that.

 

Huh?...... We don't know if he would beat them because those guys prime/careers were well before Crawford stepped into his. What are you arguing. We don't know if Floyd/Manny/Osacr would have beaten Sugar Ray/Hearns/Hagler/Duran. We don't know if any of those names would have beaten Sugar Ray Robinson.....We can do this all day with every division.

How the hell do you say someone can't be a GOAT because we don't know what he would have done with someone vs another era?....

In that case, we shouldn't be calling anyone a GOAT. Because who knows what Ali would have done vs Tyson or Lennox or Holyfield, etc....

Come on man. Stop it.

 

What ATG fighters has usyk and many others beaten to be recognised as GOAT contender?

I have no problem when people have a point of view, but double standards is what gets me

If usyk is the GOAT, then so is Bud, as a fat Fury that lost to McDermott and Ngannou is not on the level of canelo. I don't care how tall he is, or how much those 2 sacks of **** weigh hanging from his back

I certainly don't think bud is GOAT, but he is putting himself in the conversation and beating canelo at 168 will be the biggest win in recent memory if he can pull it off. I favour canelo, but we will see

 

@AdamT it's absolutely phenomenal what Usyk has done, with such a MASSIVE weight disadvantage, going up THAT much in weight in doing what he's done. He's completed the entire Boxing game. I don't know why you're crying so much over peoples opinion that he could be in the GOAT conversation. There won't be another Usyk that's for sure. I think it's fine if people think he's possibly the GOAT, just like it's fine if you disagree.. But the way you're constantly, repetitively talking about it, shows it deeply upsets you. It's just sport and opinions, chill out.

 

That has to be of one of the dumbest takes ever.

 

WTF is this pile of nonsense?

I’m only giving my opinion?

Really?

Well then feel free to list me the prime ATG fighters that he’s beaten.

I’ll wait.


I didn’t say the official accolades don’t mean anything.

I just said that we need to apply CONTEXT, genius.

Do you know what that means??


I don’t know shyte about them??

Well, considering that I’ve studied the sport for over 30 years, YES, I DO know all about them.


Shawn Porter is a B level guy, by any metric.

Amir Khan was at the end of his career.

Kell was shot, with zero punch resistance.

I watched Ricky Burns’ entire career. A solid fighter. But not a great.

Gamboa.


All good fighters, but non of them great.

His greatest win was against Spence.


Yes, some of them may get into the HOF. But even if guys like Khan and Kell got in, Terence beat faded versions of them.

Yes, Floyd didn’t fight prime ATG’s.

However, he has a DEEP resume.

Much deeper than the one that Terence has.


Compared to other fighters, his resume IS weak.

Do you understand that, Einstein??


Official accolades mean NOTHING without the relevant context applied.


We don’t rank guys based upon official accolades.

We rank guys on the strength of their RESUME.


Who they fought, and at what point.

And it’s been like that, before you were even born.

 

Jesus.

It was an EXAMPLE, to prove that Terence is UNPROVEN against elite, prime opponents.


It doesn’t matter if we don’t know if Leonard could have beaten Robinson.

We know that he could beat Benitez, Hearns and Duran.

We know that he could prime ATG’s.


We do not know if Terence can beat great, prime fighters, simply because he HASN’T beaten any yet.


Compared to other greats, he is unproven at that level.

 

I'm not crying and beating fat Fury or Aj is not better than beaten Canelo

There was no anger in my post (you are using capitals lol). You have created an account to attack me, so don't tell me to chill. Haven't the balls to use your own account

Usyk is amazing, but he is not the goat and what he is doing is not something extraordinary that has never been done before

His 2 signature heavyweight wins. Aj got smashed by a little fat guy on a few weeks notice and Fury arguably lost to an mma guy making his debut

So let's not pretend these guys are Foreman and Lewis. They are not and despite being smaller, usyk is every bit a heavyweight now

Edit

If bud beats canelo, he too has beat a much heavier opponent, only canelo is a GREAT opponent and he has completed the boxing game with more wins

 

You created an account a week ago, so how have I constantly talking about it? You are a weirdo alt

Grow some balls and use your own account

 

You've spoke about it enough this week alone, you are obsessed.

And I didn't know you needed to have an account to view this forum! Not very bright are you

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