Would Canelo Alverez dominate a prime Jack Dempsey from round 1 (Boxing Evolution Theory)

Don’t be silly.

Jack would have hit anything that he could have, just like Marciano.


Are we saying that Canelo would have schooled Rocky too?

Canelo has never fought a man of Jack’s size, speed, aggressiveness and power.


Canelo has always had a low output, with slow feet and questionable stamina.

Jack would have pressed him at every opportunity.


If Jack was a LHW or a CW today, people would think that it would be competitive.

So let’s concentrate more on the clash of styles, rather than the era when Jack fought.

 

Nothing to do with nostalgia.

Only styles.

 

Jack was an aggressive power puncher, with small gloves.

That was HIS style.


However, Benny Leonard DID not fight like that.

Gene Tunney did NOT fight like that.


There were SKILLED fighters in Dempsey’s era.

They were NOT ALL cavemen brawlers with no skill.


They also fought differently, due to the size of those gloves, as well as due to the different rules from the referee.


Again, Jack would have been a LHW-CW today.

So: A LHW-CW, of that size, with that speed, power, intensity and stamina, would ABSOLUTELY have caused ripples today.


Now I can post you a video up of Marcos Maidana giving Floyd Mayweather absolute HELL, where Maidana’s CRUDE STYLE, power and aggression, gave Floyd one of his hardest nights.

I can also post you numerous videos of where Joe Calzaghe caused huge issues for his opponents, whilst using hardly any proper technique, where he beat his opponents on just volume and speed.


Jack Dempsey today, would both win and lose, simply depending on who he fought.


Now Canelo is a 5’8 defensive counter puncher, who has a low out put, slow feet and questionable stamina.

Whereas Jack was a ferocious, power punching pressure fighter, who had great speed, intensity and stamina.


Now that would have been a hard nights work for Canelo.

100%

Forget the eras, and concentrate on the styles.


Again, Floyd struggled like hell with Maidana, and there were more skilled fighters than Maidana in Jack’s era.

 

Dempsey by KO.

I can't see a guy like Canelo, who stands in the pocket with slow feet, hold up against Dempsey who was a murderous puncher. Bivol would do better because he's capable of moving and giving angles, that's a better mythical H2H matchup than Canelo.

 

Look at the guys here, only focusing upon the different eras that they fought in, and NOT on the stylistic match up.

 

I didn't actually say Dempsey would have no chance if he was fighting in the modern era and both fighters were on a level playing field but it's true that in boxing unlike in most other sports people would pick a athlete from the 1920s to be better than a modern one quite often.

 

By the 1920's boxing gloves were 5oz and some used horse hair. What gloves are we talking about here?

If 5oz, which Dempsey is used to and Canelo isn't, Canelo could easily break his hand, which has already had issues with modern day 10oz foam protecting them.

5oz gloves Dempsey wins.

10oz Gloves. Dempsey may be a huge puncher but Canelo took GGG's best. With 10oz foam how much power would Jack lose?

Canelo UD, possible knock out via the body.

 

Genuinely fair point, man. Definitely not his highlight performance at all. However, it is completely fair to compare this fight to a more modern bar room brawl of top shelf boxers being Hearns-Hagler. You simply can not objectively say that the skills on dsplay are comparible. Take even chacon vs limon 4, which for its time was definitely not a highlight of technical boxing, and it is still way more refined than Dempsey-Fripo. What Im saying is, there was a huge jump in skill and technique in the coming decades. I find people trying to deny the evolution of the sport just ridiculous. If you watch MMA, Dempsey is like Tank Abbott or or Lev Yashin for football - an early legend of the sport, but the game has simply lapped him, and in case of Dempsey, lapped him several times over. It is like that for every pioneer in every sport.

I checked out the videos you wrote about and fair enough, Dempsey is actually better than I remember. Still, he is not at the same level as those that came after him.

 

It isn’t about them being BETTER.

It’s about how they’d have matched up on the night STYLISTICALLY.


I’m not saying that Jack Dempsey was better.


What I’m looking at is this:

Canelo Alvarez, is a 5’8, defensive counterpuncher, with a low out put, slow feet and questionable stamina.

Whereas Jack was a bigger, more powerful fighter, who was fast and aggressive with great stamina.


That is the BEAUTY of the sport.


Styles make fights.


Thomas Hearns drilled Roberto Duran with ease.

Iran Barkley, who was nowhere near as skilled as Hearns, then beat Hearns twice.

Then Duran, who couldn’t even last 3 rounds with Hearns, BEAT Barkley.


Floyd Mayweather beat Canelo with absolute ease in 2013.

Yet just 8 months later, he barely beat the crude Marcos Maidana, who had nowhere near the ability of Canelo.


Why?

Styles!


It’s nothing to do with nostalgia, or saying that Dempsey was better.

But STYLISTICALLY, it would have been a very difficult match up for Canelo.


Now automatically choosing Canelo, just because he was the more modern fighter, would be completely ignorant.

Because there’s an awful lot more to look at than that.

 

This might be the pinnacle of foolishness, Canelo, who's dodged Benavidez will beat Jack Dempsey?
Frankly those who think he could have climbed the mount Everest of idiocy. Literally this could be the worst
matchup ever attempted on this forum.

 

Jack didn’t have to be at the level who came after him.


Again, Maidana gave Floyd hell, with very crude boxing.

Again, Calzaghe beat most of his opponents on mainly just speed and volume.

Barkley could be crude, and he beat Hearns TWICE.


None of what you have written has anything to do with how a match with Jack and Canelo would have played out.

You are ignoring the stylistic match up, whilst just making an assumption, based upon the eras that they fought in.

 

Loudon, thats some insane spamming my friend. I wont be replying to all that, but in short, Canelo counterpunches and punishes Dempsey for his bad defensive habits and subpar footwork.

 

If Firpo dropped Dempsey twice, Brennan badly hurt him, and Jim Flynn stopped him, I don't see why Canelo couldn't counter the wild hooks of Dempsey with clean uppercuts and put him on his ass enough times to win. Canelo is a very durable elite talent and a big puncher, and Dempsey isn't really hard to hit.

 

It’s not insane spamming.

It’s all logical, with lots of evidence.


Did Floyd pick off and counterpunch Marcos Maidana, with his crude style and bad defensive habits?


You make it sound oh so easy.

Yet in the real world, Canelo has never fought a LHW or CW, with that speed, power and aggressiveness.


Canelo wouldn’t have just picked him off with ease.

He’d have been pressured to death, by a guy he’s never seen in his life.


You are obsessed by who you think was BETTER.

Again, it’s not about who was better.


Thomas Hearns was a fine technician.

Yet he lost to the crude Iran Barkley TWICE.


It’s not about Canelo being the better P4P fighter.

It’s about how they’d have matched up on the night stylistically.

 

That’s as logical as saying that if Austin Trout almost beat Canelo, then Dempsey would have crushed him.

There’s a lot to look at here.


Canelo isn’t a big puncher.

He has low output.


He’s never dealt with an aggressive, power punching LHW-CW with Dempsey’s style.

It would have been a tough fight.


Some of these comments are comical.

The same guy won’t even fight David Benavidas.