Would Canelo Alverez dominate a prime Jack Dempsey from round 1 (Boxing Evolution Theory)

David was the only relevant fight in his division, and he was his mandatory.

It doesn’t matter if he’s great or not.

The guy has literally had to move divisions because Canelo won’t fight him.

 

Canelo has only had a tiny foray into the LHW division.

He beat a faded Kovalev, and got beaten by Bivol.

Jack Dempsey would have been a LHW-CW today.

Who has Canelo fought of that size, with that level of speed, power and aggression?

Nobody.

He’s never fought anybody at LHW-CW with those attributes.

He’s never been pressured like that.

He’s never fought anyone with that level of power.

Canelo likes to box. At a slow pace. He’s got slow feet. He’s never been relentlessly attacked by a pressure fighter.

So it’s very easy to say that he’d have just wiped him with ease.

Also, the guy’s been running from Benavidez for two years.

So we don’t even know if he’d have fought Dempsey, let alone have beaten him with ease.

 

Lots of fighters don't face mandatories. Canelo feels he's paid his dues and is entitled to take easy fights after a decade of fighting the best. It has no bearing on who he was willing to fight at his peak.

This is no different than claiming Lewis not fighting Byrd proves he wouldn't fight Usyk

 

Dempsey is one of the most ferocious fighters of all time with power in either hand and a good combination puncher.

He's also not that small 6'1 188 pounds which is basically a Cruiserweight.

Dempsey would batter Canelo.

 

I happen to think that a big, strong, hard and swift-hitting infighter who can take a shot is exactly what would do Alvarez in. I don't think you need to do any serious "evolutionary" math to come to that conclusion, either.

To me, Alvarez and other modern fighters have benefitted greatly from the lack of good infighters. Alvarez himself has never had great stamina, but few have pressed him enough to make it matter. Munguia had spots of success, but he's not a particularly skilled guy. Callum Smith, Julio Caesar Chavez Jr., Edgar Berlanga, Liam Smith, and others of some infighting repute, either gave him too much respect or didn't have the size or wherewithal to make it matter. And as much as I liked Golovkin, I always felt that his weakness lay in his lack of sustained close-range engagement.

 

Of course. But these circumstances were quite different.

David was twice the champion.

His mandatory.

And at a time when there was no other relevant fight for Canelo in the division.

Lennox not having fought Byrd was in no way similar. There was no demand for that fight. Lennox then went and fought a better fighter. Whereas Canelo has fought guys that nobody wants him to fight, who were far less deserving.

Canelo is calculated like Floyd was before him.

Canelo rushed Kovalev into the ring.

He delayed fighting GGG for 18 months.

Are you sure that this guy would have fought Jack Dempsey in his prime??

Just 2 fights at LHW?

He doesn’t give any credit whatsoever to Bivol.

I don’t think he has the character to have fought Jack.

 

And what's that supposed to mean? Dempsey isn't a huge puncher and he's not the most durable guy ever, and the size disparity isn't that huge. Dempsey could get wild and sloppy and those are two things you really don't want to be against a counter-puncher of the caliber of Canelo Alvarez. Not to mention how technically sophisticated Canelo is and his granite chin. There's absolutely no need for petty personal attacks, that's just bad sportsmanship and poor manners.

 

I thought Canelo looked excellent against Cotto quite honestly. I thought he pretty comprehensively beat him, I didn't see that as a close fight personally.
The point I was trying to make though was that Dempsey had a very good but not great chin. He could be hurt and dropped by men of roughly equivalent size and punching power like Tunney.

 

How is your last sentence relevant?

 

Well people are also saying Dempsey would destroy Canelo. In fact Dempsey is leading the poll in this disscusion by a convincing margin.

 

Dempsey tans his hide

 

I would expect that.

Because he’d have been a LHW-CW today.

And Canelo has only fought twice at LHW, with one of those times being against a shot fighter on short notice.

So he’s not experienced at the weights that Dempsey would be fighting at today.

And Dempsey was a fast and powerful pressure fighter who was extremely aggressive.

And Canelo is small with slow feet and stamina issues, where he’s just never faced an opponent with such attributes.

So Dempsey would be favoured by many.

Not by blind nostalgia though.

But due to the factors that I’ve mentioned.

And that’s better than just blindly choosing the more modern fighter, without looking at a realistic breakdown of how they’d have matched up.

 

For the love of money and gold, I can't believe I'd have to explain why Canelo a guy who lost to Floyd Mayweather can't beat Jack Dempsey

 

Ok. I am sure if someone thinks Canelo will win the fight which is some people in the thread are also seeing it a how a fight/matchup will pan of view but they are just seeing it differently to the people here who think Dempsey would have a big edge in that regard.

Either way nice to hear your points.

 

In fairness Canelo from 160-168 is a different type of aggressor than the Canelo that fought Floyd, Lara and in the first Golovkin fight.

I don’t think his power at 175+ is enough to make whatever counters he lands on Dempsey really keep him off of him though. Bivol says he usually walks in the low 180s and he walked Canelo down. Canelo apparently was 185-188 against Kovalev but he must not wear that extra weight at 175 that well if Bivol managed to seem so strong.