Who ranks highest all time Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao or Usyk ?

Don’t be ridiculous.

 

I asked earlier if people thought amateur record should be factored in between greats a close discussions like because 335-15 is a insane record.

 

He barely beat a 43 year old Hopkins.

Nobody was afraid to fight Joe.

Joe spent years under the radar, fighting mostly non world level fighters.

To my knowledge, he fought less than a dozen world level fighters in his entire 15 year career.

He’s not in this conversation at all.

 

We simply don’t know the specifics of a record like that.

 

Would be nice to see a bigger breakdown of the record

 

He clearly beat Hopkins, who was at his best an an older age. And it was Joe's first fight at 175, he was moving up in weight.

You are very xenophobic, you seem to only respect American boxers, you never ever give fair credit to anyone born anywhere else. You always disparage and discredit Calzaghe and others.

And yes, Hopkins was afraid to fight overseas and fight Joe at 168. Mayweather, Jones, Ward were very protected, always needing home advantage and dodgy referees and judges.

 

He beat the consensus #1 at both SMW & LHW. Hopkins & Kessler. Don't care if the fight stunk, he still won.. you can only work with what's coming back at u.. a hissy fit.. Calzaghe is up there with most of the European greats of recent years undoubtedly.. just not Usyk. Who is truly stand alone. But it never ceases to amaze me tho how much Calzaghe STILL lives rent free on forum boards to this day.. the guy was a fkin artist at his best, gave us one of the most beautiful displays of SMW boxing I've ever seen de-souling left hook Lacy! Ignore Loudon, he thinks Roy Jones took steroids just for the sake of it & they had no real benefit to him & his ability in the ring.. which makes one wonder what was the point in taking them then.

 

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Hopkins
4. Usyk

In that order.

 

It’s a two,horse race for me Floyd or Manny and Id have to go with Manny,Floyd simply was looked after far too much as already mentioned by Perkin Warbeck .

 

How many Usyk top wins can you name in comparison to Floyd? I don't think Uysk has near the depth. Arguably Usyk's best win is Fury and he was coming off of a fight that he nearly lost to an MMA fighter. Joshua was two fights removed from getting beat down by Ruiz. Floyd does have wins over fighters who just made the hall of fame and they were undefeated when he beat them in Corrales and Hatton. Dominated both of them. I just think Usyk's depth doesn't compare even if their top wins do.

 

A few losses to who?

 

Hopkins was afraid to fight overseas that's why he went to Ecuador to fight Mercado in 10,000 feet altitude ?

People need to stop rewriting history.

RJJ moved up to Light Heavyweight in 1996 Calzaghe wasn't even a champion at this point so how was RJJ avoiding Calzaghe ? Especially when Calzaghe didn't even move up to Light Heavyweight until the end of his career ?

Hopkins never fought at Super Middleweight so again how was Hopkins avoiding Calzaghe when he wasn't even campaigning at the weight ?

The Super Middleweight division at that time was a wasteland Benn, Eubank, Collins, were retired, RJJ/Toney had moved up in weight. And you had the likes of Calzaghe defending the lowly regarded WBO belt and Ottke getting gift decisions in Germany.

There was no anticipation of any of the top American fighters fighting Calzaghe at that time because he was simply not a big name worldwide and the Super Middleweight division was not highly regarded in that era.

Hopkins was not at his best in his 40s I wish people stop saying stuff like this just like Foreman was apparently better in his 40s no elite athlete is better in their 40s end of.

Was Hopkins still a good fighter at that age ? Yes but no one is in their prime in their 40s come off it.

Calzaghe had been having trouble making the Super Middleweight limit for years so the Light Heavyweight division was not exactly a big ask for him to make.

I love how all these fighters were supposedly avoiding Calzaghe but yet Calzaghe pulled out of fight 3 times against Glen Johnson which gets overlooked so shouldn't we say Calzaghe avoided Johnson aswell ?

 

@Perkin Warbeck These comments below pretty much end this debate about fighters avoiding Calzaghe.


"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."

Joe Calzaghe 1999


"I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown jewels I wouldn't want to risk it."

Joe Calzaghe 2003


Calzaghe 'ducked Johnson'

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IBF light heavyweight champion Glen Johnson says Joe Calzaghe would not fight him at super middleweight.
"Calzaghe ducked me as WBO super middleweight champion but now I've got a belt and he knows he can keep his he's ready to fight me," said Johnson.

"Let's go back...8 years to be exact....to 2004. Glen beat Woods to win the IBF LHW title and then challenges Calzaghe. Calzaghe wouldn't fight G Johnson (for the 3rd and final time) because of a "back injury"

So Calzaghe refused to fight Johnson at Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight and yet you're claiming all these fighters were avoiding Calzaghe ? complete nonsense.

@Loudon what do you make of this.