Better resume Ali vs Mayweather

Exactly. And Ken Norton would be Carl Williams without the Ali fights.

 

Ali is the most media hyped boxer. The media says Ali is the greatest and everyone likes to go with the crowd and just repeat that Ali is the greatest. This is how most people do. Not me so much because I'm not a sheep.. So what happens? Every C level opponent Ali fought becomes B level. The B level guys become A level.

 

His body of work is definitely the greatest at heavyweight. His head to head level in the 70s peaked at maybe only fringe top ten though. He turned Frazier into a top ten all time lock and rolled out the red carpet for Norton to enter the HOF in what would’ve otherwise been an average contender level career. Foreman also benefited from this because he beat Frazier and Norton.

 

Do you think Ali should have dealt with Frazier and Norton easier?

 

No, because those fights reflect who he was in the 70s. His legs and reflexes weren’t the same.

It’s a little bit like Pac turning JMM into one of the greatest Mexican fighters of all time. Throw him in with Floyd or Freddie Norwood and it’s like…this guy is supposed to be up there with Chavez?

 

No.

Frazier was an elite swarmer with an ATG left hook which Ali was vulnerable to its a hard style match up for Ali.

Norton excelled vs boxer types he destroyed Quarry, beat Young, and was competitive with two of the best Heavyweight outboxers of all time in Ali, Holmes.

 

What you are saying is silly.

Muhammad Ali has the best Heavyweight resume of all time that's not even debatable his career at Heavyweight warrants him to being top 2 Heavyweight with only Louis having an argument to being rated over him.

In regards to all time most people pick Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest.

 

Corrales never has an ATG career even without Mayweather in his era.

He wasn't better than Casamayor who beat him 2-1 with alot feeling it should've been 3-0 as the 2nd fight was a controversial decision.

And had Corrales met the likes of Mosley, Johnston, Marquez, at Lightweight he would of lost 100 percent.

Corrales is not good enough of a H2H fighter to ever become an ATG.

 

Ok. It kinda sounded like you were saying Ali should have not allowed them to win and made them look greater in a way.

 

He’d definitely beat Norton if he were in his 60s form and probably win FOTC too. I’m not sure what his training camp was like for the first Norton fight, but that also might’ve been an issue.

 

He would’ve ended Stevie’s career.

 

To be honest I think Norton and Frazier would be hell even for 60s Ali but yeah I would probably pick Ali but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

I don't agree I thought Johnston was very good and was unlucky not to get a win over Castillo I remember I had him winning atleast 1 of those fights.

Although the size might be a problem for Johnston come to think of it he was quite small.

 

Not one bit.

If you take those names at face value, you are right, it is not debatable.
However the names on someone's resume don't mean **** to me if they also beat him or if said fighter beat those names when they were not in their prime or if they were not 100%.
⨀ Liston was in his early 40's when he fought Ali. He went into their first fight carrying a shoulder injury and barely trained. Took a dive in the second.
⨀ Patterson went into the Ali fight with an injured sacroiliac joint. Plus he wasn't a natural HW.
⨀ Frazier beat him in their 1st fight.
In their 2nd fight, Ali cheated in order to win. He kept holding Frazier’s head throughout the entire fight (a foul but never any warnings much less point deductions from the referee) thereby taking away Frazier’s inside fight game.
And in their 3rd fight, Frazier was almost completely blind and washed up.

Cause he is. SRR is no. 1 by a country mile.

 

Corrales took out Smoke Gainer and Robert Garcia. Garcia was in the same class as Stevie with similar anttributes and Gainer had more pop than Stevie and could move. Stevie might win a few early rounds but would get taken apart due to not having power or physicality. Corrales punched quite a bit harder than Castillo, but wasn’t as durable.