Better resume Ali vs Mayweather

It's as simple as that.

Nobody is arguing that Floyd isn't a better boxer than Ali - naturally, the lighter fighters are technically and athletically superior to the HWs, it has always been this way.

You cannot reinvent fighters, however, or reimagine their careers or repurpose their skillset when we have seen what they did.

Corrales was a world class fighter at one time - nowhere near an ATG.

Frazier was a bonafide great on account of being an Olympic gold medallist, unbeaten and undisputed world heavyweight champion and the first man to defeat the undefeated Ali who is a lock for top 2 (my no. 1) HW ever based on who he faced and beat. This cannot be rationalised as they are the facts.

There's no sane realm where Corrales could match Frazier as what he hypothetically could've done, but actually didn't, Frazier did do.

Floyd is one of my favourites and I've often argued, greatest defensive skillset ever for his consistency of application of all the facets, but the claims of world title claimants and weight classes hold less weight with me.

I don't rank all the junior, super weight classes, interim, silver champ nonsense - it's still 8 weight divisions and one real champ per division to me. Floyd and Pac's claims need to be scaled down so that I can legitimately rank them alongside greater fighters of yesteryear.

Frazier is miles greater than Corrales - all day and every day!

 

One hypothetical scenario in NoNeck's favour that I can put some weight behind is that if these 25 pages had been a real life conversation taking place in my local pub, the right and lawful course of action would have taken place on page 1 after five minutes rather than on page 25 at the end of the night.

Which is that the local spice dealer would have smashed a pint of ice cold Snakebite directly in his face, mid-patronizing strawman argument. Though I doubt it would dissuade him from thinking that he's ever been wrong in his life.

 

Man came back just to steal the whole thread.

 

You seem to have lost track of the point of this thread.

 

You seen to have lost track of your marbles.

 

If you're rating Ali's resume ahead of Mayweather's because he built the resumes of Frazier and Norton by losing to them, you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

 

At least I'm not the dullest.

And that's an incredibly strange way to look at boxing. You must think Ali was a genius to lose to Frazier and Norton, in order to boost his own ranking.

 

Ali: "I think I'm gonna throw this fight with Frazier"
Dundee: "Haha, stop messing around...! Did you bet against yourself or something?"
Ali: "No, see, nobody respects an undefeated fighter. I need to make this era look better by having some actual struggles. That will boost my legacy".
Dundee: "Muhammad, you're talking crazy"
Ali: "Just wait and see, Dundee. I'll go down to a left hook, and and I'll be #1 in the history books".

 

No, I think he deservedly is regarded as the greatest heavyweight of all time and also had a markedly worse career than Mayweather.

 

He didn't clean out his era and at heavyweight hof standards are incredibly low.

That's not a compelling argument
Fraziers case for being ahead of Corrales seems to heavily rest on beating Ali

Corrales could easily end up on the hof

 

Corrales is in the hof.

 

In Ali's exile Frazier did clean out the division.

He beat Jimmy Ellis who won the Heavyweight tournament.

He beat Quarry who was the finalist of the Heavyweight tournament.

Both Ellis and Quarry were the highest rated contenders Frazier could fight at that time and he beat them both.

He also beat Bonavena, Chuvalo, who were top 5 rated contenders.

So explain to me how that isn't cleaning out the division ?

As for Ali you're argument is silly because that's me like saying "if Corrales didn't beat Castillo".

It's pointless argument Frazier had a good resume prior to the Ali win but the Ali win leaves no doubt what so ever that Frazier had a better resume than Corrales.

 

The 90s is the strongest era by a country mile.

 

He missed out on Foreman, Liston, Mac Foster, Peralta, Martin etc. So no he didn't clean out the division and I would potentially favor Foreman to beat him by mid 1970 prior to Ali even coming back
Scoring some good wins is hardly comparable to cleaning out the division but people have differing standards

Frazier didn't face Ali at his best he fought a version coming off a long layoff not in his best shape. Your penalizing Mayweather for being consistent and rewarding Ali for his inconsistency that allowed people to enhance their resumes at his expense

If Castillo got the decision against Mayweather that many feel he deserves that gives him a Frazier level resume

 

Foreman wasn't ranked in the 60s.

Peralta's highest ranking was 10 Frazier fought higher rated contenders you can't fight everyone.

Martin retired after the Liston fight.

Frazier beat the top 2 contenders and beat 3 top 5 contenders that is clearing out the division lol.

Who's penalizing Mayweather ? When did I even mention Mayweather ? I thought we were on about Corrales ? Now you're on about something completely different.

Frazier fought Ali after lay off yes but Ali had two notable wins over Quarry, Bonavena, one of them being a 15 rounder so he had decent preparation in the lead up to the fight.