Who ranks highest all time Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao or Usyk ?

Hopkins is underrated

 

1. NOBODY has said that Floyd wasn’t past his prime.

2. You are EMBARRASSING yourself, showing your complete lack of knowledge of the CW division.


What CW BUMS did Usyk FEAST on??


Lumps at HW??

Like Joshua and Tyson, who’d cleared out the division?


You think that beating a faded Cotto, who’d been smashed up by Manny and Marg, was a win which was on ANOTHER LEVEL, to where a CW had moved up to HW, to beat a very awkward fighter who outweighed him by 50 pounds??


Have a word with yourself.


The best guys who Usyk fought at CW and HW, were absolutely on the level of a win over a faded Cotto.

 

50 pounds of fat. Fury in shape would be 240 or less. Mcdermott beat him
Wilder nearly smashed him
Cunninham wss outboxing him handidly

Usyk has done nothing extra ordinary. He's great, just not THAT great

Nah cotto was better.
As was Oscar at 34
Manny at 36
Canelo
Corrales
Hernandez
Castillo
Hatton maybe too

 

You have no idea what you’re talking about.


You have no idea on how to rate a win.


Breidis was a very good fighter, who was in his prime, and who presented Usyk with a very tough stylistic match up.


Marquez was a 36 year old LW, who was completely outsized by Floyd, who Floyd had dragged up and cheated on the scales.


Yes, of course it was an easy win for Floyd.

Because he was fighting an easy stylistic match up, against a faded and smaller fighter.

It doesn’t take a lot of working out does it.


The Breidis fight was much more difficult, for the reasons mentioned.


The CW tournament was EXCELLENT, full of fresh, highly skilled fighters.


If you think that a 99 year old JMM would still rate higher than a win over Gassiev etc, that speaks volumes.


You clearly have no knowledge of the division and the fighters.


There’s no point in you debating.

 

Then don't debate,
The topic was who is the greatest?

Is usyk greater than Floyd or manny?

 

I am debating in good faith.


Obviously this is beyond you.


I never even said that Floyd wasn’t greater.

I just said that when you APPLY CONTEXT, and take many factors into CONSIDERATION, that Usyk’s best wins are COMPARABLE to Floyd’s.


That is all I’ve said.


Now if you think that Usyk FEASTED on CW BUMS, then you are simply embarrassing yourself here.


Likewise, if you can’t apply context, and believe that dragging up a 36 year old LW by 2 divisions, before deliberately cheating him on the scales, was some great feat.

 

Like I said, you have no idea how to rate a win.


A CW moving up to beat an awkward HW, who completely outsized him in height, reach and weight wasn’t impressive??


Oh, it was just 50 pounds of fat.

We won’t count it then.


We’ll just ignore the stylistic match up.

The huge physical disadvantages etc.

We’ll just dismiss all of those things.


But hey, let’s not forget the AMAZING win that Floyd had over a faded and inactive Oscar, who’d only fought once in THREE years, and who retired the following year.

AMAZING, huh??

 

Stylistic fights
Oscar bigger and longer than Floyd in preferred weight

Cotto heavier than Floyd and in form at weight he was comfortable

Corrales a powerful sfw with much more size and had power. Many picked him

Many thought Floyd struggled with fast southpaws, especially one who throws punches in bunches

You are triggered

That Oscar was better than Fury
Who the f..k has Fury beaten in the last 3 years and isn't he retired now? Lol

 

You keep replying to ME.

If you’ve actually followed the debate, I have AGREED with the rankings.


Again, I’ve just noted that if you apply context and look at many different and highly relevant factors, that Usyk’s best wins are COMPARABLE to Floyd’s.


We are not doing prime for prime P4P comparisons.

We are looking at the specific versions of Floyd’s opponents etc, as well as Usyk’s, where we look at many different factors.


Barely beating a faded Oscar who had hardly fought in 3 years, and who retired the following year, was not on another level to Usyk’s wins over Fury.

Anybody who thinks otherwise, has zero knowledge of the sport.


A prime for prime P4P comparison, would be a different debate altogether.

 

Floyd is greater, it's all that matters to me

 

I’m not triggered.


Just staggered by your ignorance.


Oh, Cotto was heavier than Floyd?

Yet, you’ve just literally dismissed Usyk being outweighed by FIFTY POUNDS!


Brilliant.

 

That’s fine.

But have an objective debate, and stop being ignorant.


You’ve just told me that Cotto outweighed Floyd.

Yet you’ve just completely dismissed where Usyk was outweighed by 50 pounds.


You’ve just told me that Usyk feasted on CW bums.


These are terrible posts.

I thought that you were better than this.

 

Your posts are terrible, so f..k off and take a hint.

 

Fury was also faded, got beat up by Ngannou on his debut and is now retired...

The Canelo and faded Pacquiao wins crap all over that

 

I see. You just want to argue. I'm not the guy to satisfy you. Best of luck to you.