Would Canelo Alverez dominate a prime Jack Dempsey from round 1 (Boxing Evolution Theory)

Ha!

He only fought 30 opponents.


Let me just do the maths on that.

This has cracked me up.


Brilliant.

 

This is completely irrelevant to what I’ve said.

 

First of all, he wouldn’t be a HW.

He would be a LHW-CW.


Second of all, ALL fights are determined by how the two fighters match up on the night stylistically.

Which makes two guys fighting completely different to any other sport.


Canelo is a defensive counterpuncher, with slow feet and stamina issues. He doesn’t throw many punches.

Whereas Jack was a very fast and powerful pressure fighter, who would have had advantages in height, reach, weight, power and stamina.


Canelo has only had a brief foray above SMW, and has fought nobody with Dempsey’s style and attributes.


In boxing, the more skilled fighter doesn’t always win.

Again, it’s based upon styles.


Floyd Mayweather was a genius. But he could barely beat Marcos Maidana.

Iran Barkley beat the great Thomas Hearns twice, despite being technically inferior.

Styles make fights.


Canelo has done nothing to have been realistically favoured here.

And if your only thought is to look at the dates of which the two guys fought, then that is completely ignorant.


You’ve said that a tennis player of 100 years ago couldn’t compete today.

It’s simply not the same.

But we’ll go with it.


How about a tennis player of 50 years ago?

Yet look at some of the many great fighters of 50 years ago.

There’s many, many great fighters of the 70’s, who would be absolutely and rightly favoured over many of today’s guys.


Boxing is a stand alone sport.


Other than making ignorant assumptions based upon time, put forward a logical theory of how and why Canelo should have been favoured.

 

There were still fighters who possessed different styles to each other, but ones that are still the same as today though.


The old adage of ‘styles make fights’ is a true today, as when it was first spoken.


If a boxer today struggles with a swarmer, then he’d also have struggled with a swarmer from any era.

Likewise, if a pressure fighter today struggles with technical boxers, then he’d have struggled with one from any other era too.

 

The skill-gap, ever seen Floyd-Gatti fight? You have a very sharp counter-puncher who's extremely technically economical in all his movements throwing fast, powerful shots combined with an excellent defense, an educated jab, little telegraphing etc.

He'll rush in taste 2-3 quick shots a few times, get scared to rush in anymore and (that's his only change because he's not outboxing Canelo from the outside) and that's all she wrote.

He's not surviving with that kind of defense and footwork against Canelo.

 

It’s not about not agreeing.

It’s about ignoring the dates when they both fought, and concentrating and appreciating how they’d have both matched up on the night stylistically.


Throughout the thread, you have implied that fans are biased/nostalgic.

Yet Jack would have been a ferocious, fast and powerful LHW-CW today, where Canelo has never faced anyone with those attributes up at those weights.

 

The Gatti fight does not help you in any way here.

Floyd had a big advantage in skills, speed and reach.


Canelo isn’t Floyd.

He isn’t as sharp.

He hasn’t got the advantages in speed and reach.


Jack would have had height, reach, weight and power on Canelo.

He would have fought at LHW-CW today.


Canelo has never fought at CW, and only a handful of times at LHW.

He has never fought a swarmer of that size, power, weight and speed.


You’re trying to tell me that Jack would have been scared to have rushed him?

Really?


He’s not surviving that kind of defence and footwork?

Surviving?

Ha!


Canelo hasn’t got the attributes to have been favoured over Jack Dempsey.

 

You can also list me the guys who Canelo has knocked out in just 2-3 rounds.

 

You’ve looked at the Gatti fight.

How did the one against Maidana turn out?

 

Canelo beat Kovalev who looks bigger than Jack with a FAR superior skillset and probably as hard a puncher (probably harder to be honest but for the sake of the argument I'll let it go). Also beat Smith, similar story and had a close fight with an absolutely elite fighter in Bivol.

Canelo has proven time and time again that he can hang in there and often prevail against guys Dempsey's size or bigger. That's all I need to know, if he can get their respect, Jack will have the same problem.

And based on the eye test, I do not see Jack's wild style working against someone as sharp as Canelo, you do those wild swings you get countered immediately, especially when Jack is wide open. He does that wonky head movement he's getting his head lifted with an uppercut.

Canelo is also extremely tough, could Jack probably get him? Sure. Wouldn't be easy though, it's not a matter of simply landing one shot, he'd have to work for the stoppage and I don't see that happening.

 

So ridiculous.

 

Yep your first point is why I’m super confident Canelo smokes him, boxing fans must be the only sport fans in the world that think someone from 100 years ago could beat a modern day great. Styles do make fights, but Dempsey’s style and boxing back then was hardly even boxing was it. More brawling and clinching.

 

Canelo beat a shot Kovalev on short notice, only 2-3 months after he’d struggled with Yarde.

The only other fight he had there was against Bivol.

That is it.

Nothing else.


Again, he has never fought anybody with Dempsey’s size and style.

Nobody with that speed and power.

Nobody beyond LHW.


Yet you’re saying that he’d have taken him out in 3 rounds.

It’s just laughable.


It would have been an awful stylistic match up for him, against someone he’d never seen.

And Dempsey could have been a CW, which is a weight that Canelo’s never fought at.


Also, Jack wasn’t always wild. He also had great knockouts, which you can see. He had great hooks. He threw combinations.

He was a ferocious pressure fighter.


Your comments are completely illogical.

 

Okay.

Why on earth would you be super confident that Canelo could smoke a power punching LHW-CW??

1. He’s literally never fought a CW.

2. He’s only fought two LHW’s. One was shot, and the other beat him with ease.

3. It would have been an awful stylistic match up for him.


Brawlers have beaten boxers, at various weights, all throughout the sports history.

Also, Dempsey wasn’t just swinging wildly, with zero technique.

We have footage of him throwing great shots.


There were also technicians in his era, such as Gene Tunney and Benny Leonard.

Both of those guys had great technical skills.


You’re really showing a complete lack of knowledge.

You have given no actual thought to the match up.

You’ve just automatically made up your mind, based upon the times that Jack fought.


Canelo is a great fighter. However, he is short. Short height. Short reach. Slow feet. He has stamina issues. He’s a small, defensive counterpuncher.

Whereas Jack was bigger in height, reach and weight. And he had great speed and power, where he was a ferocious pressure fighter.

So: There’s no logic whatsoever in thinking that Canelo would have smoked him with ease.


Forget the 100 years, which you have fixated upon.

Look at the facts:

Canelo has never beaten anybody with those attributes, at either LHW or CW, which is where Jack would have fought.


Regarding the 100 year difference, what about a 50 year difference??

Would that still be too much??

 

Dempsey does not need to "survive" Canelo. Does anyone believe Canelo hits harder than a 220 lb Fripo? Sure boxing has evolved but the human body isn't different now than a 100 years ago. Power is still power. Jesus.