RING MAGAZINE Had Mike Tyson At 72 In Their All Time PFP Ranking. That's Absurdly Low

https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r[role]=box-pro&r[sex]=M&r[status]=&r[division]=&r[country]=&r_go=&offset=200

Says 215 here.

 

The list I think is a algorithm and the places get moved. For example Mayweather has been moved up to 3rd on the list when he was a few places lower than that before.

 

HWs always get penalized in P4P criteria. However, based on that I wonder if Ali's high ranking there is due as much to his cultural influence than purely his in ring boxing career?

 

Is it not showing for you? Maybe we are both talking different rankings done.

Yes Patterson is pretty high on the ranking.

 

Care to share your P4P list to show us where you have him and who you have him rated above?

 

It's certainly arguable. Beau Jack beat Sammy Angott, Tippy Larkin, Fritzie Zivic, Henry Armstrong, Allie Stolz, Bob Montgomery, Maxie Berger, Al 'Bummy' Davis, Willie Joyce, Juan Zurita, Johnny Bratton, Eric Boon, Livio Minelli, Lew Jenkins, and Tony Janiro. Compared to Mike Tyson's wins over Michael Spinks, Larry Holmes, Razor Ruddock, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs, Bonecrusher Smith, Frank Bruno, Trevor Berbick, and Tony Tucker. LW is also a far, far deeper division than HW, and Jack is very arguably a top 20 LW. idk, I think it's pretty fair to rate Beau Jack above Mike Tyson quite honestly.

 

That doesn’t answer the question.

If you’re going to call out their ranking of Tyson in that time period, we should be able to see how you have fighters ranked for comparison.

What number is Tyson on your list? Whom do you have below and above him?

 

It's hard to judge HW skill compared to other fighters because of physics. If a 225lb body could move like a 115lb body, I'm confident you'd see footwork from Usyk on par with someone like Bam, with all the constant and large angle shifts. But a 225lb body can't do that stuff. Doesn't mean Usyk is less skilled.

Big guys are hard to judge.

And, weirdly, P4P now seems to make the most sense in the context of HW's. Usyk literally steps in the ring weighing 25lbs-50lbs less than opponents and still wins. If that's not a P4P king, I don't know what is.

 

A prime Tyson would be WAY up there on any sane P4P list, taking into account modern superheavies. He'd be in there at 212lbs, smashing up guys who are 250+. And not just beating them on the cards like Usyk, he'd be brutally knocking them out.

Get a time machine, bring forward 20 year old Tyson. There's not a single heavyweight who isn't like "well, ****."

 

But it's not a rating of each boxer at a specific moment in time. It's a rating of their entire careers. Well, it's a list from the year 2002, so they didn't take into account what Tyson did after he fought Lewis.

Tyson looked unstoppable in the 1980s. His career from 1990 onward, or from when he turned 24 onward, was a disappointment.

 

The trouble is Tyson didn't fight them. The vast majority of super heavyweights probably aren't rated all that highly. As you say, Tyson would belt most of them and numerous other guys around 210-230 would beat most of them as well.

 

You could save yourself a headache and simply compare his resume vs his peers against the other divisions against their peers. It's very simple.