Better resume Ali vs Mayweather

I have no arguments. It's as if someone ran up Mount Everest at record speed and then fell off Kilimanjaro and people decided that the mountains in Africa must be harder to climb than the Himalayas. How to approach this? you can't. Such a conversation is completely pointless, just like talking to The One. Even though I've mentioned several times that I don't think Tyson is the best, he keeps repeating it, I think it's a bit scary... I don't know where you guys are coming from, but I just wanted to talk about boxing. I don't need this ****

 

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I never said that you believe Tyson is the greatest/best of all time. I'm well aware that's not your argument. White Bomber is the one who believes Tyson is #1 h2h.

You went out of your way to reply to my post where I states that "The best of all time in a sport can't be someone with a losing record against their best opponents". I stand by that. I have no idea why such a claim is controversial or confusing to you. Literally no athlete in any sport is considered the best with a losing record. None.

If you disagree, fine. You can either actually respond to the points I made, or simply leave it alone. Not sure why you're getting so antsy about this subject and acting as if it's impossible or pointless to try and determine if a given boxer can or cannot be regarded as the best h2h fighter. It isn't.

 

He isn't claiming Tyson was the best boxer, he's basically saying it's impossible to determine if a boxer is the best and is angry at people for attempting to have that conversation.

I don't get why he doesn't just ignore the thread if he thinks it's a dead discussion.

 

And I wrote why I think such an assessment is senseless..
Tyson went to Holyfield already being a boxing legend, being a 25-1 favorite, and having a record of 45-1, winning 12 championship fights, defeating 5 current and 5 former world champions, outclassing 3 Olympic champions with a balance of 2-0 in IBHOF fights. Holyfield was then considered No. 4 or 5 in HW behind Lewis, Bowe, Moorer and Tyson, in short he was rated lower than Spinks, Berbick, Tucker, Ruddock or Thomas when Tyson fought them, so I have no idea on what basis this fight is supposed to be the most elite fight of Tyson's career.

IBHOF - the great Joe Frazier has an IBHOF record of 1-4. Tyson has a 2-3 record, Michael Spinks is 2-1, McCall is 2-1, Foreman is 2-2.. what does that say? this criterion simply doesn't make sense but if you want you can choose any one and put Tyson outside the top 200 like boxrec.

I wasn't angry with you, I was irritated by your rhetoric, but more by The One than yours. I have my arguments, you have yours... I don't understand them at all and I wrote why and you may not accept it, so we have to end the discussion.
I was irritated by The One, but I understood that he was either a person with a disorder or that he was deliberately trying to irritate me, which I find unpleasant on a forum that brings together boxing fans. However, I understand that it is impossible to avoid such people, I made a mistake to enter into discussions with him, not with you. Regards

 

It's ironic that virtually everyone in this thread understood the point(s) i was trying to make. The point i was trying to make is that Mike Tysson was a great fighter, the case for him being the greatest fighter is much less compelling. Nothing more and nothing less. Regards.

 

I realize posters are from all over the world and not like or be familiar with all sports. Here's an analogy. If I said Steph Curry is the best or greatest basketball player of all time among basketball fans i would be ridiculed. If I said he's not great at all I would be equally ridiculed. Levels!!! Peyton Manning was great but he wasn't Tom Brady. Kobe Bryant was great but he wasn't Michael Jordan. Frank Robinson was great but he wasn't Willie Mays.

 

Jordan never scored eighty.

 

Nor lost a championship series.

 

Yeah Tyson is not the subject of discussion here, can all we reasonable people agree Ali's resume is better than Floyd's and call it a day ?

Good.

 

Define better

 

Comparative of good.

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Neither did Mayweather. TBE

 

How would you define what 'good' means in this context? What makes a resume 'good' or 'better'?

 

Better opposition beaten at the time of the fight. More wins over ranked opposition. Quality and depth, basically.