Can someone explain to me why people rate Usyk above Mayweather & Pacquiao ?

I explained why I do in the post you replied to


''If we're going to ignore the fact Usyk and other great amateurs left huge chunks of their prime in the amateurs, ignore their greatness in the unpaid ranks where you don't get to pick and choose who you fight or stack the deck in your favour, whilst also simultaneously pretending like they didn't accumulate a ton of wear and tear on their bodies over the course of 300-400 amateur fights, well over a decade or longer of gruelling training and sparring

And play this stupid little game where they act they're immune from said wear and tear and the ageing process whilst also believing they're inferior to the fighters these clowns believe aren't fit to lace the boots of because they turned pro way later which is exactly what they do and believe then I'm going to redress the balance and make it fairer.''

If you turn pro in your mid to late 20s you cannot have as deep a resume as fighters who turned pro in their teens

If you turn pro in your mid to late 20s and had 300-400 amateur fights you are not immune to the ageing process and the wear and tear of spending half if not more of your boxing career doing all that and anyone who, as many do. pretend like these fighters who do are in their prime in their mid to late 30s, at at an age where they dismiss all the losses of their idols and favs due to them being ''old and shot,'' does not get taken remotely seriously and doesn't deserve to

If you turn pro in your mid to late 20s a fully grown man and the nearest weight class South of the one you turned pro at is 25lbs away then you cannot boil your naturally much bigger body down to weight bully leprechauns and become a multiple weight champion in weight classes you're gigantic, huge or very big for

If you turn pro in your mid to late 20s and there is only 1 weight class North of the one you turned pro in despite the fact it's the only one in the sport with no weight cap and you are routinely facing giants who hold huge or obscene physical advantages over, punch extremely hard, and can literally weigh anywhere from 10-100lbs more than you possibly even more, you cannot become a three, four, five etc. weight champion

If fighter A turns pro in their mid to late 20s a fully grown man and become a three weight champion

And fighter B who turns pro in their teens while they're still growing becomes a four, five, six or more weight champion, then obviously you have to factor in the respective ages they turned pro at

And you also factor in that when fighter A moves up and becomes a multiple weight champion against bigger, much bigger or way bigger opponents in said weight classes in which they themselves are small or tiny for them it's much more difficult and impressive than fighter B doing the same against fighters they're way bigger than, much bigger than, bigger than or at worst roughly the same size as

None of this should need to be explained but the fact I have to says it all

And let's not forget that almost to a man these same circus clowns who are now trying to discredit Usyk's wins at HW and him becoming undisputed in it in his mid to late 30s when already past his prime are the same circus clowns who in their infinite boxing knowledge were so adamant and dismissive he he could and would never even win a belt up there against these giants, let alone slay all these giants on a deck stacked against him and become undisputed

Re. your ATG ranking of Usyk, Floyd, and Manny I have no issues with it and I've already said that Floyd, despite the fact he is clearly a PED cheat IMO, is a serial deck-stacking cherrypicker and ducker who never dared fight outside his home country once in his entire career, and if he he did dare to play by the set of rules Usyk has forged a career doing which of course he never would in a million years, would bare minimum have 2 Ls on his ledger right off the bat. Despite all this and more, I never said Usyk ranks above him on the ATG rankings.

But Usyk doesn't need to and never has tried to stack the deck in his favour, let alone heavily or roll with loaded dice like many others and the same sure as hell can't ever be said about Floyd.

Manny is a different story. Manny fought Floyd in his country, Floyd would never have dared fight him in his. Usyk would've jumped at the chance to fight either in theirs if he was the same size.

Again, I'm not directing this at you

 

We know Belly fights down to the level of his opposition sometimes and that the version of him who fought Usyk which FTR is the best version we've seen since he fought Wlad, was clearly not the same out of shape unmotivated version who fought Ngannou who he, again, despite his claims to the contrary clearly did not take seriously and not without good reason, so stop citing that performance and trying to discredit Usyk's wins over AJ and Belly against whom Usyk was already in his mid-late 30s and past his prime when he fought them

Floyd fought a Shane whose gas tanks ever so mysteriously ran dry after just 4 rounds without his cocktail of PEDs but it his previous fight was a power punching energizer bunny who threw hundreds of full power bombs from start to finish without gassing. There's a reason why Floyd wouldn't fight Shane without drug testing and especially FLOSADA drug testing.

The suped up PED mutant Shane who was on a whole cocktail of PEDs, including EPO, who fought Margarito was a very different version to the one Floyd fought.

Oscar was past his prime, had one foot in the retirement home, the other in an opium den, and had fought once in almost 3 years (32 months) not at all in a year, and would have been 1-3 in his last 4 fights had his judges not robbed Sturm blind (albeit I personally had him 2-2)

And, unlike Usyk who has to beat all his best opponents at HW twice in order to get the credit for beating them once, despite the fact they're giants and he has to beat them with the deck stacked against him and then even after doing so the wins get discredited by the same clowns who not only picked him to lose to them but were so adamant he would never become HW champ, Floyd wouldn't dare rematch Oscar

Melon Head Miguel won the MW title against a Sergio who was a literal cripple. It's hardly a secret his knees were shot to bits by then

 

Here's a good question for you. Can you read or you just intentionally this dishonest? I said sometimes.

And he looked like crap against Sefari and Pianeta.

Belly has generally fought guys roughly his age give or take a year or two. It's not like he's raiding care homes fighting OAPs he's way younger than. Wlad was old but despite being past his prime he was still extremely dangerous and formidable, the reigning three-belt unified champion and consensus #1 HW, hadn't been bested in over a decade, and he beat him in his backyard on a deck heavily stacked against him

And Usyk has been the older fighter most of the time in his fights at the world level, including against Belly, AJ and Dubois, whilst fighting on a deck stacked or heavily stacked against him.

 

Sometimes meaning when he clearly did, genius

Do you think the version of Belly who beat Wlad, The Dosser in baptism I and II, fought Usyk twice, and schooled and stopped Chisora is the same version who fought Ngannou, Sefari, Pianeta, McDermott in their first fight Pajkic, and Wallin etc?

You think Ngannou is better than Wlad and would've dominated the HW division for over a decade? Actually you probably do

Did I say sometimes? Yes or no? So why would you then proceed to lie about that in your reply to me when everyone can see exactly what I said in the post you replied to?

 

You think the Belly who fought Usyk is the same version who fought Ngannou? Why does Belly do so well in rematches (sans against Usyk), knocking out or stopping every opponent he's fought rematches against (against sans Usyk) when he actually takes them much more seriously, genius? It's not exactly the world's greatest secret he fights down to the level of his opposition sometimes.

He looked like crap in fights against much lower level opponents in fights before, or directly before, he fought Wlad, the Dosser, and Usyk etc. Are said opponents better than those fighters or on their level of not?

And what Belly was doing or allowing Wlad to not do had nothing to with it, right?

And again, why did you lie about me in your initial reply and why should I even waste my time debating someone who would do such a thing?