Chisora Greater than Wilder?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JunlongXiFan, Feb 17, 2025.

?

Chisora or Wilder

  1. Chisora

    51 vote(s)
    53.1%
  2. Wilder

    45 vote(s)
    46.9%
  1. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2020
    Messages:
    6,155
    Likes Received:
    6,624
    So Ortiz/Stiverne is better than Joyce/Parker/Whyte/Pulev?
     
    BubblesUK likes this.
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    82,092
    Likes Received:
    22,234
    So losing to Haye is better than losing to Fury?
     
  3. Philosopher

    Philosopher Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2024
    Messages:
    1,928
    Likes Received:
    3,060
    Del has a better record, win lose or draw he's fought better opponents than Wilder. I'll take that further, he'd have beaten everyone Wilder beat except perhaps Ortiz. But...I'm thinking peak Wilder probably times Del and starches him. If he can't do that he gets outpointed over twelve.
     
    JMotrain likes this.
  4. ruffryders

    ruffryders Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,749
    Likes Received:
    1,235
    This is one of the most stupid threads on here.
    Troll
     
    swagdelfadeel likes this.
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2022
    Messages:
    17,461
    Likes Received:
    37,566
    I think Chisora beat Whyte the 1st time, and beat Parker the 1st time.

    So if I'm counting them as wins then yes is the answer.

    There's no one on Wilders title reign that I wouldn't favour Chisora to beat outside of Ortiz.

    If you pit Wilder against Chisora's opposition how many losses does he have ?

    I mean Whyte was Wilders mandatory for years and he didn't want to fight him.

    Wilder against Chisora's best opposition Joyce, Parker, Whyte, Haye, Kabayel, Usyk, Vitali.

    How many wins would you be confident of Wilder getting against those names ?
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2025
    kirk and AdamT like this.
  6. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2021
    Messages:
    4,899
    Likes Received:
    8,811
    So refusing to fight good fighters, as Wilder did for most of his career, is better than taking fights you might (and did) lose?

    Losses matter, but they matter more when the general level of opponents is equivalent - Chisora fought much better fighters than Wilder did, over and over again.
     
    kirk, AdamT, Manning and 1 other person like this.
  7. muzzlehouse

    muzzlehouse New Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2024
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    13
    My money would be on Wilder...I could never bring myself to bet on Chisora...NEVER!!

    This content is protected
     
  8. GBoxingFeed

    GBoxingFeed Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2013
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    1,043
    To be honest, it’s an interesting question. Because, although Chisora may have a deep resume, longevity, and this late career Indian summer - vs Wilders somewhat protected career and mostly high profile losses when stepped up - I’m sure that if you gave Chisora the choice of his decades of toil, or Wilders comparatively short career but long WBC world championship reign, he would take Wilders career.
     
    Arch Stanton likes this.
  9. DoctorJones

    DoctorJones Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2024
    Messages:
    390
    Likes Received:
    397
    Better wins maybe
    But worse loses in his prime
    We cannot know how many loses Wilder would have had had he fought Wlad, Povetkin....
    So difficult to answer. From what we know Wilder has a better resume
     
  10. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2021
    Messages:
    4,899
    Likes Received:
    8,811
    In the case of many boxers, you might well be right.

    Chisora though? I think he'd struggle to live with the shame of being as protected as Wilder was - the man's a rare breed, a true fighter who wants the challenges and is prepared to accept the consequences of overreaching.
     
    Special K likes this.
  11. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2021
    Messages:
    4,899
    Likes Received:
    8,811
    Losses to (almost always) better fighters than Wilder ever beat can't drag down the fact his wins were better, surely?

    With the exception of Helenius, every single fighter that beat Chisora is better than anyone Wilder beat, in most cases by a very long way:
    - Fury
    - Vitali
    - Haye
    - Pulev
    - Whyte
    - Kabayel (who I think is overrated, but not as much as Ortiz was!)
    - Usyk
    - Parker.

    13 losses is undeniably a black mark on a resume.

    Only ever fighting 3 contenders in your whole career, and losing to all 3, is a massive black mark on a champions resume...
    It also, typically, means it's fair to assume that he probably would've had more losses if he'd fought more contenders - the fact he ducked multiple guys calling him out doesn't mean we should assume he'd have beaten them (we can't know it, but I would argue we should assume he'd probably have lost?).
     
    JMotrain likes this.
  12. Banana-Rama

    Banana-Rama Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2015
    Messages:
    1,059
    Likes Received:
    1,404
    Even Joe Joyce has better wins than Wilder, that's how pathetic Wilder's title reign was.
     
    BubblesUK likes this.
  13. FreddieGibbs

    FreddieGibbs Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2024
    Messages:
    1,153
    Likes Received:
    1,294
    Yeah by a long shot too
     
    BubblesUK likes this.
  14. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2025
    Messages:
    2,964
    Likes Received:
    3,138
    I once saw a question on youtube asking Wilder's all time heavyweight ranking for heavyweights and most said 50-75 range. I don't think people would have Chisora that high but that being said what most people think isn't necessarily a indicator always.
     
  15. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2011
    Messages:
    48,670
    Likes Received:
    28,740
    Wilder could have achieved much more in his prime but they kept feeding him bums

    In theory Ortiz should have beat him to high hell but Wilder proved in them fights that his power was legit ATG status.