Chisora Greater than Wilder?

Wilder could have achieved much more in his prime but they kept feeding him bums

In theory Ortiz should have beat him to high hell but Wilder proved in them fights that his power was legit ATG status.

 

Was that before Wilder lost?

Asking as fighters tend to get rated a lot more reasonably once they're retired, but even that first loss usually gives an overhyped rating a good kick back towards reality (and most fighters are overrated until they're beaten for the first time!).

 

It was after the loss to Parker 100% but I don't think it was as far as the Zhang loss though.

 

Or alternatively...

Either Wilder himself or his management knew he was a mediocre fringe contender type who had power but would lose his belt the moment they matched him properly - if not first time out, definitely within a couple of fights against live contenders.

I don't honestly know whether he'd have achieved much more if he'd fought better opponents.

Forget theory - Ortiz would've beaten him if he'd actually been allowed to finish the job.

And anyway, what theory? Ortiz resume was mega thin, just like Wilder's - another assumed contender without the resume to back up the claims.

 

Wow, I'm amazed anyone would rate him that high by that point!!

 

If I asked on here I wonder where people would rank. I would suspect barely in the top 100 or outside of it.

 

Ive been a Chisora fan longer than you've been alive and i remember when he smacked the fridge around.

But Chisora has spent a tiny amount of time as a ranked contender whereas Wilder spent almost his entire career ranked in the top 3.

I always favoured Chisora to do a job over Wilder tbf, but there's no argument as to who the greater HW was.

Anyone voting Chisora is doing it purely out of Wilder hate.

 

Yeah and I’m sure Wilder would have a heap more loses too if he fought more top 10 fighters than he did. As it is, the few times he did step up he lost the majority of those fights.

 

If you're referring to Ring Magazine's top 3 or top 5 ...

Chisora has never beaten anyone in the Ring's top 3 or Top 5. Not one. ZERO.

Wilder has three wins and a draw in successful WBC Heavyweight Title wins/defenses against fighters who were then ranked in the Ring top 5.

If you don't want to use Ring ratings, and just sanctioning body ratings, everyone Wilder fought in title fights was ranked. Everyone Wilder fought after he lost the title were ranked.

What is that, 16 fights?

Wilder has more wins over fighters ranked in those ratings, too.

How many alphabet ranked fighters has Chisora ever beaten? Like three ... if you count IBF #12 ranked Otto Wallin last time out?

This is just another Wilder troll thread. Add it to the years-long list of hundreds of others.

For a guy so hated, lots of you certainly like to bring him up and start threads about him.

Aren't there two big heavyweight fights this weekend? Isn't one involving a Brit defending his heavyweight title? But you'd rather talk about Wilder, who hasn't had a title in five years? And you still can't move on.

Deontay did a number on all of you.

 

I suspect probably most would go 90-100 or outside 100, agreed.

I'm not sure even some of our more extreme defenders of Wilder would go much inside 50... And very few would go anywhere near that high.

 

Chisora - he never avoided anyone, he fought everyone from Vitali to Fury to Usyk.

Wilder fought journeymen and avoided contenders and other title holders, while holding the WBC title hostage for years.

Chisora was one of those fighters Wilder avoided.

 

Neither did Jesse Ferguson. Jesse fought everyone from Holmes to Tyson to Bowe to McCall to Tubbs to Buster Douglas to Mercer to Bruno to Rahman to Bonecrusher to just about all of them. He even won a couple of those.

How high do you have Jesse? Probably not very ...

 

Insanity. Jesus Christ y'all bias AF.

Is a contender greater than a champion with a high defense count? Oh but reasons, excuses, and fallacies doe.


Y'all hate Wilder but act just like him.

 

Most fighters once retired actually climb higher in all time lists due to their opposition they beat going on to achieve things or pull off big wins. With Wilder in this regard? I don’t see any of his foes doing anything of note over the coming years. Sure the men that easily beat Wilder can still add to their cv’s. I don’t see how that helps Wilder though.

 

Well what would you say Jesse’s big wins are? Chisora has some decent wins.