Kabayel V Big George Foreman

Beating a 200 pounder isn’t preparation for Kabayel, chief.

 

Neither is beating a fat, slow old southpaw with a 4 round gas tank preparation for Foreman, chief. You pretended Kabayel had a better resume.

I'm still waiting for you to concede that Foreman did in fact stop boxers early who were even tougher than Kabayel.

 

Foreman relied on size and strength a lot in some ways much as someone like the Kiltschko's brothers and Fury. Quite of the fighters in the 70s did to actually so they could walk down the opponents including Ali.

I bring this up because heavyweights in the 70s are brought up as proof sometimes that size doesn't really matter much. That being said I want to see how Kabayel does when he gets his title shot he might not be what it seems.

 

Many of Fraziers opponents were the size of light heavyweights and cruiserweights. I don't know if his resume really applies to today's heavyweight landscape

Jerry Quarry is around the size of Sergey Kovalev for example

 

I think you need to hop off the internet for a bit you take this too seriously for a guy with no stakes in anything, nobody here does, it’s a fictional boxing match. I haven’t insulted you at all I’m just trying to talk boxing with you, why do you feel the need to insult me?

 

Well Kaba’s stamina and durability is proven, he’s quite a bit bigger then Foreman - he’s a decent fighter who I don’t think is a step down from Ron Lyle who had GF in trouble - Zhang showed us he’s got a chin and the reason Zhang gassed wasn’t because he was ready to fall over after 4 rounds of boxing it was because he was mauled into submission with body punches. Zhang doesn’t have great gas (like GF) but he’s 280lbs and the size of a house and is probably the biggest puncher of this era. I have no hard stance on the fight as I specified in my first post here but I do think he could win, George has bad stamina, comes at you, not much of a game inside and is quite a bit smaller whilst usually relying on overpowering guy… we also know his power won’t bail him out here, sometimes a bad match up is a bad match up look at Norton coming into the Ali fight on paper less impressive then Kaba IMO.

 

Frazier defeated Muhammad Ali. That alone puts him above anyone in this era aside from Usyk, which is somewhat debatable.

Would Frazier's resume improve if Quarry and Ellis were 240 lbs? I'm confused.

 

Of course it doesn't. Lots of guys today are bigger punchers than Ali and match up far better with Frazier than Ali did. Norton beat Ali and presumably you don't pick him to beat everyone today.

It would help if Quarry and Ellis were heavyweights by todays standards rather than big light heavyweights small cruiserweights because it would indicate they would be fighting at heavyweight today. As it is I think that's doubtful

 

It would mean there is evidence he could fight skilled guys who were real 240lbers in fictional boxing matches.

 

I insult you because it's funny. You're a troll and an attention seeker. I'm not taking you seriously at all. Idk why you pretend we have amnesia as if we don't have a very long, well documented history of you trolling, insulting people, derailing threads, changing the topic, etc.

If anyone needs to spend less time on the internet, it's you.

He is not "quite a bit bigger than Foreman". He is a chunky 240 and 6'1 at best. He has about 10-13 lbs of fat over 70's Foreman.

He fights nothing like Lyle, so IDK why you brought him up. Kabayel is more technically sound and accurate than Lyle but presents a totally different challenge as a boxer puncher/mover who jabs and goes to the body. Foreman was also rusty and coming off a loss when he fought Lyle with a different trainer.

Yes Kabayel's body punches contributed to Zhang gassing, but that doesn't change the fact he gassed in just 4 rounds. Zhang has always had stamina issues such as against Parker where he had a lower punch output. Yes, Kabayel could give Foreman problems with his body shots.

But Zhang is a totally different fighter from Foreman aside from being a strong durable dude who can punch. Zhang is a southpaw with even slower feet, doesn't use his jab a lot, doesn't parry, can't cut off the ring, doesn't frame or push, etc. Many, many differences. Beating a 40 year old Zhang doesn't mean Kabayel can win, but he obviously can take a punch. The question is if he can deal with the pressure of dozens of power punches from both hands. Foreman is going to be throwing at a much higher and more dangerous pace than Zhang from multiple angles and he'll be hitting Kabayel with body shots too.

I recently watched Kabayel vs Chisora, and he got nailed with several flush right hands and uppercutts throughout the entire fight despite his movement and speed. If that were Foreman in there, idk if he takes those shots. Zhang only landed one good solid punch.

 

Yes it does. Is a win only good if the opponent hits hard? You're not making any sense. Is Frazier's win over Bonavena better than his win over Ali because Bonavena hit harder than Ali?

I didn't say Frazier beats anyone today because he beat Ali. We were discussing resumes and quality of opposition and if Frazier could fight guys today based on his resume. The answer is obviously yes, unless you think Ali wouldn't even make it into the top 10 and would be a failure today.

How would Ellis and Quarry weighing 240 help Frazier's resume? You still never answered my question.

There's a reason Frazier's wins over Joe Bugner and Buster Mathis aren't considered better wins than his win over Ali despite the fact Bugner and Mathis were bigger and heavier than Ali. Take all the time you need to think about why.

 

I don't see Ellis and Quarry fighting at heavyweight today. So in a hypothetical time travel scenario they would not be part of anyone's heavyweight resume due to not fighting at that weight class. Does that make sense?

 

No, the hypothetical is: "Instead of weighing what they weighed, Ellis and Quarry magically weigh 240 lbs when they step in the ring with Frazier".

Does Frazier's resume improve in this hypothetical, yes or no...?

 

Kabayel won a 12 round decision over Chisora. Foreman didn't win a deserved 12 round decision until he fought Grimsley

 

People had Grimsley winning against Foreman?