Are weight divisions a failed experiment?

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  1. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    EDIT - Through out my original post I made the mistake of focusing on Fly when in fact it is Feather. everything under 140 is worth looking at though - End of Edit


    The idea of stipulating weights before a fight is to take place is as old as English boxing itself. The ancients would be the only boxers with no concept of weight divisions.

    Over time men became known for being the best at certain weight limitations and so claimed titles. Lightweight champions exist long before any lightweight division to rule over.

    By the 1890s we had informal divisions. The fighters were still agreeing on what weights to be privately but there was a general rule of thumb established with heaps of fighters following those weight guidelines so it was easier to make a pairing.

    The formation of the bodies saw formal weight divisions with no teeth, a champion could be stripped by a body but no public would follow the ruling.

    By the 1930s weight divisions formal, well regulated, and controlled by authorities the public recognizes.

    From the 1930s until now no less than 8 weight divisions have been added to the sport.


    The expressed purpose of weight divisions is for the safety of fighters and a fair playing field.


    In the 1890s men we would call Flyweights died often. Today the Flyweight division is still home to the most deaths in boxing annually. Every point in history between, it's flyweights who die most often. This is why near the lower weights there are so many divisions while at the heavier weights there's larger gaps in disparity.

    Likewise, the 220s of HW were not struggling when BW was created. The 200s of HW were not struggling when CW was created. The MWs were not struggling with LHWs when SMW was created. No one was calling for JLW when the NBA created JLW. All of these divisions do get outshined by the standards they are in between

    Since it's done nothing to save lives and helped no struggling demographics, what has weight divisions successfully accomplished? Soon enough we'll have a division per half pound while we continue to claim eventually there's got to be a sweet spot for these flyweights.
     
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  2. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Yes. Inoue vs. Bakole when?
     
  3. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I assume you're arguing for less weight divisions and not for no weight divisions?
     
  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    It’ll be on the undercard of Canelo vs Wilder.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    This is a really good argument for less divisions but poor for no divisions.
     
  6. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold The Hype Job Spotter. Full Member

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    Lol.
     
  7. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Perhaps there should be 2-3 less divisions?

    I don't think much more that is realistic though.
     
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  8. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I might bet on Canelo, actually…
     
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  9. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    An argument for NO weight classes is insane. You’re basically cutting out all the little guys, when there’s a metric ton of talent down there. You’re writing out Inoue, Nakatani, Bam, etc.

    Hell, one of the problems with some other sports is the LACK of weight/size controls. How much more basketball talent would there be if there was an under six footer league? Look at boxing — a big body cannot do a lot of the stuff a little one can because physics.

    do you watch the little guys? If not, I suggest you give it a try. The stuff they can do compared to HWs is insane. You think Usyk is a mover? Watch Bam. He makes Usyk look like a cruise ship compared to a jet ski. You think Kabayel is relentless? Watch Inoue or Duran.

    just saying. Weight classes are fantastic because they bring a ton of talent into the sport.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No, they’d work pretty well if there weren’t 10 world titles to a division.
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I’m actually ok with the cruiserweight division being in existence. Let’s face it. Heavyweights on average are so much larger now than they were years ago. Sure you’ve always had “ super heavyweights “ since the beginning of time. But at one point it was the exception not the norm.
     
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  12. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    devils advocate— what if Opetaia moves up and starts beating everyone? Easy to write off one doing it. What if a second does?
     
  13. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Why do flyweights die more often?
     
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  14. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    any division with weight cutting yields more long term injuries I think. Something about dehydration leading to CTE.

    then again, it’s not like we don’t have punchy old heavyweights around. Seen Riddick Bowe these days? Man he’s bad off.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    It's also a lot more punches thrown and landed, as well as less knockouts; it's been shown that constant 'light' punches to the dome is worse for your brain than less frequent but heavier punches.
     
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