Dmitry Bivol vs David Benavidez in the summer

Morrell is a 168 that has 1 sketchy struggle win at 175 and Gvozdyk beat up nobodies after getting brutally retired and being out of boxing for several years to be ranked top 6? Yeah I'm taking Craig Richards and Callum Smith over that every time.

 

I got Bivol.

 

And richards and smith lose to nobodies. Having them over Gvozdyk and Morrell is laughable.

 

Thats what happens when you are a contender fighting other contenders not coming off the couch after several years out or coming up a division with 11 fights.

 

i meant benny vs bivol, i just wanna see it. That or beterbiev vs benny

 

Because willie hutchinson is such a top contender right. Gvozdyk did not come off the couch he had 3 fights in 2023.

 

Litany of examples of compubox being wrong. It purportedly measures how many punches are thrown and how many land...yet its not some sophisticated AI computer software its literally a person watching (like us) keeping a score.

Compubox cannot measure quality of a punch or type of punch. If a person throws 70 jabs in a round and lands 15 they may appear to be in control of the round. Conversely their opponent could land 1 counterpunch power shot that usurps all of that activity.

Compubox is indicative of NOTHING but can be a nice supportive stat. And yes that is in my opinion.

 

It does not need to be 100% accurate to be a reliable guide. The fact that the fighters generally regarded as having the best defense, are in the top 10 for compubox defensive stats demonstrates its accurate enough. The top 10 of plus minus is full of P4P fighters which again is representative. Its not like mediocre fighters or bums slip in there.

At the end of the day, its more reliable than your statistics and its shows Benavidez had no trouble landing on Morrell which is the opposite of what you claimed. It also shows Benavidez top 5 in plus/minus which is not possible if he wasn't high level. Every single fighter on that list is a p4p fighter. You should not ignore data, its very critical especially when someone has no idea what they see in the ring.

 

crux of the problem right there. its what prevents discussion from moving past boxrec and triangle theories. but what are you going to do, teach everyone boxing? cause its obvious people dont learn much from just watching.

 

Just trying to teach quantitative data is valuable in analysing fighters and fighters.

 

Morrells problem versus Benavidez was not his defense, it was his offense and inability to make adjustments. You would know that if you watched the fight or, if you did watch the fight, if you understood what was happening. Benavidez power at 175 is very average although his volume remains good. He had Morrell offensively frustrated and showed Morrell to be a 1-trick pony when it came to offense. Morrell winged a bunch of countershots and the only meaningful land was in r3 or r4, when David was stopped in his tracks and hurt......yet Morrell did nothing.

Compubox doesnt reflect any of that. Its a meaningless statistic and not taken with ANY regard by most fans. But youre new here/to the sport so just educating you on the topic.

 

i agree with what youve been saying. my point is that your knowledge will be wasted on 95% of the posters here, because they dont understand boxing, but have no idea that they dont understand boxing, and believe they are as knowledgeable as you are because they saw the same fights. for most, the personal feelings determine what they imagine they saw in the ring.

 

If Benavidez only has average power how was he walking down two aggressive power punchers in Gvzodyk and Morrell?

You can keep saying compubox is meaningless but its not, unless you can present a study that shows its way off with the numbers. I have probably been watching boxing before you were born. You were woefully wrong when you claimed Benavidez struggled to land vs Morrell, when you could visually see him tattooing Morrell all night which was backed up by the numbers, yet you are still trying to lecture.

Do you notice every position of yours requires excuses? compubox is meaningless, morrell and gvozdyk and nothing. My positions don't need excuses because the evidence supports me.

 

OH MY GOD!!!

 

Is this a joke? Gvzodyk was retired for like 6 years...gtfoh. Morrell has never shown hes an effective fighter...really ever as a pro. That's the reality.

Make a thread then. Most did NOT see Benavidez "tattoo" Morrell. Benavidez was simply the better prepared fighter who made better adjustments and had more layers to his game. But Benavidez damn sure wasnt walking down Morrell.

And all of your positions require you to make **** up like youre writing a fantasy book. ****ing pathetic shill garbage.