Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

I don't act like, it does. It is a higher honor. There's literally nothing higher in all of boxing.

You act like Wlad dominated a division he mostly avoided. Better names overlap his career than are found on his record. Absolutely 0 vols. Allowed anyone who wanted to co-champion with him. He simply did not dominate. Doesn't matter if him fighting short fat no hopers gives you the tickles buddy.

Champion is meant to be singular and mean best. Liston did that. Carnera did that. Wlad shared.


How long can a man reign as a co-king before their authority is absolute? Ah, by way of being co-king and never the singular king one can never have absolute authority.

Doesn't matter how much you liked watching Wlad or what you thought of his comp. He's a co-champ, end of.

 

1) Ingemar Johansson - Overcame the disadvantages of a privileged life in a welfare state to obliterate a top contender and a champion in a display of complete dominance. Was past his best and unmotivated after Floyd 1, so nothing else counts. Also, Floyd is #6 on the list, and Ingo beat him prime for prime.

2) John L. Sullivan - Greater cultural impact than anyone else. Founded the heavyweight title largely by his own efforts.

3) Muhammad Ali - This is one slot higher than Foreman ranks him, and Foreman is more qualified than anybody to do so. Ali moves up one slot from his rightful place because he was very entertaining.

4) Rocky Marciano - Champions who retire undefeated automatically get the #4 or #5 slot, unless they are already occupied. More wins = higher ranking.

5) Gene Tunney - See #4, above.

6) Floyd Patterson - Foreman said so, and again, Foreman would know better than anybody around here.

7) Old George Foreman - Foreman disagrees with this ranking, claiming that he doesn't rank himself at all, but I think he's lying. Aside from his boxing career -- winning the lineal championship twice with over a decade gap -- Foreman is also the source for many of these rankings; a contribution to boxing history that gives him the #7 slot.

8) Young George Foreman - Although still pretty good, Young George Foreman had a pretty lackluster heavyweight reign, and very limited longevity. He also never wrote a top 10 list. So he can't go higher than 8.

9) Hypothetical David Tua - Ranked based on what he could have done.

10) Jimmy Young - Defeated both the Old and Young Georges Foreman in the same fight. Also beat Ali (honorary #3) and Norton in fights that have been retroactively rescored.

 

You are wrong and childish and that's why you avoided the history I allude to.

It certainly wasn't the IBF nor WBO Wladimir Klitschko grew up watching and hoping to achieve under.

Why is it more the body's fault Wlad did **** all nothing than it is Wlad's? Why do you blame the WBC for putting on a title fight for their belt using the fat no hopers of the k2 era rather than blaming Wlad for happily allowing another man to be officially his equal in this sport?

Have you a wank over resume some more buddy. You guys totes ain't been in a bubble or nothing.

 

So, Wlad is responsible for WBC having a stupid policy of not ranking the champions of other bodies and sanctioning the fight between 2 second tier heavyweight for their title? What do you think would happen if Wlad was allowed to fight for the WBC belt against Stiverne? Why the WBC would not want the best heavyweight in the world to fight for their title? Now it's Wlad's fault? LOL.

 

Are you claiming the bodies' cross recognition is what Wlad never became champion? That's what you're saying? It's the WBC's fault because they didn't rate him?

 

Give me a ****ing break.

The only person Wlad said he wouldn't fight was Vitali.

Wlad had no problems fighting anybody around. Hell, half his resume is guys with 1 or no losses. He liked to pop the cherries of 'tough guys'.

Getting mighty strong Dino vibes here.

 

Well, yeah. He couldn't fight for the WBC belt when Vitali held it for an obvious reason and when he finally could, he wasn't allowed to because of the policy. WBC went fully insane when their crowned Stiverne their champion. No wonder Wlad had the undisputed status even without that belt.

 

Wlad literally defeated every top contender there was before Vitali came back in 2008 and after he went MIA in 2012. That's literally 5 years of beating top contenders, while Vitali was only active for 4.

 

You rank Canera over Holmes, that means I don't take you seriously.

If you fancy a self policed ban bet, where one of us creates a thread on which we both make our respective arguments for who is greater out Canera and Holmes, and see which gets the most votes in the poll, let me know, otherwise I'll ignore your posts from now on.

 

At least you're trolling tongue in cheek and not belittling those who don't conscribe to your absurd (mock) view.

 

Lol! I remember Corrie Sanders would just stand there and kinda look like “Ok… yep.. let’s just get this **** on. But do you with the mean mugging” while many of his opponents would try and stare fear into him lol

And as a Wlad fan I hate to say this… but Wlad tried that with Corrie and we know the rest.

 

Respectively, I think Amalgamation Foreman deserves a spot. (He’s the version that combines the best attributes of the comeback version and 70s version minus the shortcomings.)

 

you don't see the irony in that?!

Buddy, every single thing about your so-called criteria comes down to popularity contests. Of course you'd be the sort to find value in a large number of mostly ignorant fans agreeing with you.

Do you think I do not know the norm in which I buck against? It's a silly challenge; two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Also a ban bet? TF. No, then I can't win anything. I enjoy chatting with fellow boxing fans. Even those I disagree with. I think this ban bet popularity contest challenge is, well, surprising from one who claims to value critical thinking.

I won't respond to you anymore and that can be that. No reason for either of us to never post again ... that's ****ing weird bro. It's a weird offer and you're a weird dude.

 

What WBC policy is it you are claiming prevented Wlad for seeking the WBC belt?

 

Wlad was “the man” of his division for about a decade… I’m sorry he didn’t fight his brother ffs lol Liston fought CWs 190lbers and had one successful title defence over a guy who was a middleweight at the olympics… If you take H2H into account at all this is easy if you value Sonny being “undisputed” over a non division I guess that trumps being the “unofficial” champ for forever… much the same as Larry Holmes people didn’t then and shouldn’t now care so much about collecting all the belts, you know who the champ is… comparing it to a time where you only had to beat one guy to get the title and couldn’t be stripped unless you did something stupid is silly and cope… if Wlad won the title from Floyd Patterson he probably beats the young Ali that went life and death with Cooper just fine… Liston probably losses to Byrd trying for the WBO lol - how about we ask them to swap reigns? Who do you think does better? Swap opposition and you’ll see some holes in ranking Sonny over Wlad, Wlad keeps winning for a long time after getting the belt even at a mature age… Liston gets either hammered by one of the big guys, ages out too fast or never wins the belt from Byrd and becomes a “guy” in the division who holds onto a belt for a bit like a John Ruiz or something.