Keith Thurman vs Errol Spence Jr. now

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Devon, Mar 13, 2025.

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Who wins?

  1. Thurman KO/TKO

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  2. Thurman PTS

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  3. Spence KO/TKO

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  4. Spence PTS

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who wins this matchup?
     
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    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Errol Spence should not be sanctioned to fight ever again. The brain damage he suffered from that car crash was very apparent in the lead up to the Crawford annihilation. I don't want to hear Errol Spence slurring his words in the build up to another fight ever again.

    Out of compassion for his own safety and well being OK. Errol Spence was a great fighter once. But that car crash changed everything. I don't even want to think about Thurman vs Spence because Spence should never be allowed to fight again.
     
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    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    The Spence fans love using the car crash excuse to cover up how overrated he was.
    He beat Danny Garcia and Ugas after the car crash but all of a sudden the car crash was the reason Crawford mopped the floor with him. LOL GTFO!
     
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    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, the brain damage from the car crash was clearly progressive. At first it wasn't as obvious, it became more obvious over time as the word slurring became worse as time progressed.

    Danny had been past it for quite some time. His power was not the same as it was earlier in his career, and his propensity to be outboxed was well established. Even a post car crash Spence had enough skill to outpoint Danny, just on volume, reach, etc.

    As for Ugas, no one rated him before he upset Pacquiao, which was a result of Pacquiao finally getting old. Pacquao was not the same fighter who beat Thurman 2+ years before he lost to Ugas. Ugas then became seen as a quality opponent due to beating a washed Pacquiao.
     
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    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Spence's off behavior seems more like from drug and alcohol abuse plenty of people make full recoveries from bad car accidents.
     
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    I don't know about plenty, but some people might make full recoveries from bad car accidents, but of course it depends on the situation. Spence's crash was particularly brutal, he was in intensive care. He was hit in the head harder from that crash than he ever has in a boxing ring, by a lot. The fact that he returned to the ring and won a couple fights is damn near miraculous, but no one in their right mind after seeing him against Crawford would say that he's the same fighter he was before.

    Those who make "full recoveries" from bad car wrecks generally aren't boxers in the prime of their career when it happened. A "full recovery" for normal people means, they still have the ability to walk around and take care of themselves normally to some extent. In Spence's case, he's still a funtional human being, but he's not what he was before that car wreck. Not even close.

    And I'm sure you're aware of all the voices who were concerned about the word slurring the bad performance against Crawford calling for him to retire. And yeah Crawford's good, but he's not that good. The level of dominance there was not consistent with the type of fighter Spence was before the wreck. Maybe Crawford beats him pre-wreck but not to that extent. He was clearly reduced by the car crash and the slurring of his words was very concerning.

    By the way, has he given a video / audio interview since the Crawford fight? Has he made any noteworthy public appearances since then?
     
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    The excuses for Spence could fill a book.
     
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    Spence is done. He'll lose to any decent fighter at this stage of his career. The car crashes, the detached retina, inactivity and the beating he took from Crawford finished him.
     
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    Excuses, you're in denial about what happened to the guy after a devastating car wreck. I can't imagine why anyone who would still want to see him fight after seeing him devastated by Crawford, slurring his words and being MIA since then.
     
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    It's unbelievable to me that people want to see him fight after seeing the clear signs of devastating injuries. The detached retina too, after that beating by Crawford. The slurring of words. Do people want to see this guy die in the ring?
     
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    They brought up the car crash before both of those fights as pretext for an excuse if he lost those too. Right before every fight they said "We'll have to see if he's the same after the car crash". Even said it before Crawford despite literally fighting twice since the crash.


    It's despicable.
     
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    If Spence is that broken, PBC and those around him needs to convince him to officially retire. Sure he's been essentially retired but just make it official so his fans don't have to wait for nothing.
     
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    Despicable to be concerned about his well being and future after seeing clear signs of decline? What's despicable is trying to encourage the man to keep fighting after being devastated by Crawford in a way that anyone who saw how great of a fighter he was pre-crash would know that type of thing would never happen.

    Just so you know, I was one Spence's biggest fans. I rated him P4P when most people here didn't. But to be in denial of the devastating impact of that car crash and the residual damage of that, and to encourage him to continue when he clearly has no business being anywhere near a boxing ring at this point is cold and is not someone who cares about the man's well being.

    Look I wish that car crash never happened, it was horrible. I wish he could have had a long and storied career. But his career trajectory clearly changed that night, and if you don't accept that, if you are trying to encourage this man to continue, that's cruel and wrong.
     
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    Check Spence's socials he even admitted himself that he has a problem with alcohol. Stop blaming the car crash it's BS you don't beat guys like Garcia and Ugas if you are so ****ed up from a car accident. They may not be great but they are world level fighters.
     
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    You rated him p4p before anyone else? Spence was put in most media outlets top 10 p4p after beating a post-GGG Kell Brook. What other fighter has been hailed a top 10 p4p after 1 single good win? Spence has always been overrated.
     
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