Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

Facts have value and if you don't want to accept that your precious WBC is a shyte sanctioning body is your cup of tea. Crowning Stiverne as their champion, lol. You will deny that Wilder blocked Wlad vs Stiverne fight and ducked Wlad after that too?

 

Eurosport LMAO

The "Undisputed" HW Crown on Eurosport? LOL

Even the lineal titles on Eurosport was a major embarrassment for Wlad.

What exactly does universally recognized mean?. The opposite of officially recognized ?

Clearly lower tier Eurosport got it wrong. The were probably paid off by k2. The fledging channel could've used a few quid.

Answer me this? If Wlad was undisputed , why didn't Fury become undisputed when he beat him?

 

Fine words, but the reason the boys jumped my ass isn't simply because I put forward a different perspective than they are used. I charged them with the flaws of the normal criteria. Mainly, I pointed to how opinion based Ring and TBRB ratings are and how resume is nothing but cherry picking records based on your opinion of the names.

To present it like I did not antagonize the group at least to some degree is unfair to them.

Likewise I do feel it's crucial to my argument. If you are claiming objectivity, a word fans love, then be objective. Objectively speaking what you and Mac agreed on "Yup. At the end of the day, Wladimir was universally recognized as the undisputed champion from when Vitali retired even without the WBC belt." is objectively untrue. To say i'm simply saying I see it differently just isn't fair. I am telling Mac he is wrong. Outright and in no uncertain terms.

 

You're moving the goalpoast. You said it never happened. Now you're coming back with other non relevant shyte.

Tyson Fury called himself undisputed too after he beat Wlad for your information.

And if you don't know what "universally recognized" mean you shouldn't be talking boxing, cause you clearly DKS about it.

 

Yes, they do. the fact is there was nothing in Wlad's way. You can get super emotional all you want buddy. You've yet to post any fact or source anything. Hell, you're citing commentary like it's meaningful.

Why on earth you want to double down on this is beyond me, but I showed you. You've shown me nothing and somehow seem to think Bermane getting a title shot is proof Wlad was prevented. That's ... uh ... real sound bud. Real worth responding to at this point.

 

It doesn't matter what was announced on Eurosport before Wlad fought some soup can nobody remembers.

Show me one reference to Wlad being Undisputed by a single recognised publication ?

You won't be able to. Just like you can't explain why Fury didn't became Undisputed.

I have more knowledge than you , and im also a better fan of the sport than you because i value the truth.

You're a Klitschko sycophant who only cares about pushing agendas and non-truths.

 

There was: shyte WBC politics and Deontay Wilder not giving him a chance to fight for the belt.

I'm citing the introduction to be specific, which shows how Wlad was widely viewed. Achieved the undisputed status even without collecting every belt. Just like Larry Holmes.

Bermane getting the shot at the title in the fight against Arreola proves that WBC is just a laughable organization.

 

Wlad was never undisputed, the ****?

Did you miss the entire thing about Usyk being the first undisputed champ since Lewis?

 

Nah, you're just a clown who keeps moving the goalpost.

 

Nope, but you surely missed the history of the term "undisputed" and that it not always meant the guy who had all the belts.

 

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https://www.npr.org/2024/05/19/1252...disputed-heavyweight-boxing-champion-24-years

 

Give some other examples of Undisputed champs who didn't have all the belts? Since 2000

 

Why since 2000? I already gave the example - Larry Holmes after beating Ali was viewed as undisputed despite not having a WBA belt

 

Deontay stopped Wlad, who was already a champion

Bermane stopped Wlad, who was already a champion

The WBC's ratings prevented Wlad because he was a champion.



Buffer announced him doe! Yeah man, Chris Eubank is simply the best, but Floyd's the best ever. Mister Buffer announced them so it's def true.




You're getting very silly now. Have a good one bud.

 

This is a good discussion. Enjoying reading it.