Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

Yup. Deontay refused to step aside for the Wlad vs Stiverne fight. What don't you understand?

He didn't, but Don King wasn't really thrilled about Stiverne fighting Wlad either.

Yup, the policy of not ranking champions prevented Wlad from fighting for the vacancy. They rather have Stiverne fighting Arreola for it, LOL.

 

Wladimir was the undisputed champion for the Alex Leapai fight. The WBC belt was vacant- therefore no one was able to dispute his claim. That bout vs Leapai was fought in April of 2014. It’s not until May Stiverne would fight Chris Arreola for the Vacant WBC strap.

 

What does "undisputed" mean? That there is no dispute who's the champion. This terminology was used equally to "the person who has all the belts". On top of that, you could have all the belts and not really be undisputed, like Tyson before he beat Spinks, or Roy Jones in the LHW division while Michalczewski was around. There were other claimants to the title, lineal champions. There were no other claimants to the title when Vitali vacated the WBC belt, so Wlad was practically undisputed and was viewed as such by majority of the public.

 

Wlad was KTFO by Sanders and Brewster, then goes huggy bear and home town referees to protect his egg chin. His resume is long but thin. Then he lost a decision to Fury and got KOed by AJ. IMHO Wlad was overrated.

Liston on the other hand ran through opponents like a knife through butter in a much stronger era. We will assume everything was above board with his loss to Ali, although there are conspiracy theories.

H2H Liston knocks Wlad out. I also feel he achieved more.

 

"The ruling king is armored head to toe in brilliant flame. He is redeemed by each act he undertakes. His death is only a diagram back to the waking world. He sleeps the second way. The Sharmat is his double, and therefore you wonder if you rule nothing."

 

Yeah, that's not gonna cut it buddy, he wasn't undisputed. Even you know it by the use of the word practically.

Undisputed in regards to boxing means holding all possible titles. Lineal, all the belts and whatever else you can think of. Wlad never did this.

 

Calling late 50s and early 60s a much stronger era is really laughable.

 

He had the undisputed status just like Larry Holmes. I rest my case. You can agree with me or not, that's all good.

 

Leaapi fought for the undisputed championship??. But not Fury ? lol You're talking absolute rubbish. You know damn well you're peddling a non-truth.
But you don't care because you're a klit boot licker

 

Your obsession with Wlad is weird, dog. Well, you're a legend for a reason, lol.

 

iv awakened.

 

Wlad can't be viewed as a serious champion until he beats Willi Besmanhoff!

 

You can really see why both Ali and Wlad were at the top for so long by looking at those fights. They were both physical freaks.

 

You really can't go wrong with either one neither really faced someone like the other.

Wlad might win if you isolate his 2nd reign while Liston might do better with the whole careers compared. While Wlad faced everyone in his era except his brother and Valuev and was dominant the best fighters weren't deadly like Liston. Samuel Peter isn't Liston. Wlad losing to AJ even at 40 doesn't feel that forgiveable right now.

I have Wlad higher on my list but would likely pick Liston H2H. If Wlad had beaten Wilder I'd probably pick Wlad H2H.