Was Ali's level of athleticism for a HW boxer unprecedented at the time?

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  1. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    When Ali came onto the scene did he represent a new level of athleticism for a boxer, specifically for a HW?

    Factoring in purely physical athleticism, were there any prior heavyweights who stood at least 6' that were comparable in that regard?
     
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  2. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Sidney Sweeney got a flat ass Full Member

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    He was kinda similar to Jersey Joe.
     
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    Ice8Cold The Hype Job Spotter. Full Member

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    His speed and skills was like something that no one had ever seen.

    People had seen those with power by then.
     
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    OddR Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For me it's the Ali era were heavyweight boxing starts to evolve. And Ali was doing things that it was thought a man his size shouldn't be able to do.
     
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    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not in terms of boxing purely athleticism Bob Armstrong.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    John L Sullivan was a better athlete.
     
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    themaster458 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    100% he was huge for his time but also faster then smaller opponents and tough as hell could take body shots without flinching overall quite a physical specimen for the time.
     
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    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    For his time? Yes. But he was quicker than any heavyweight today. So he was fast for any era.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    Absolutely, we still haven't seen anyone like him at his best.
     
  10. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    To the extent of my knowledge, Prime Muhammad was faster on his feet, and avoided punches better, than any Heavyweight before or after him. I have never seen one as fast as Ali, and I have seen most Heavyweight Champion Boxers, on film, or live (8 mm, Super 8, computer, and television).
     
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    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Skills? No, Joe Louis existed, speed, Louis wasn’t far off either but he could punch too, Louis threw his shots clean not sloppy.
     
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    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Avoided punches better than any heavyweight before him? Or after? No way, not close, no disrespect intended he got hit so often his chin became famous lol.
     
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    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Unironically he really was so was James J Jeffries.
     
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    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    They actually do share a similar style! Agreed Mark.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    Top post Shay. Pre exile Ali was something else.
     
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