Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

Liston would have knocked out all opponents in Wladimir's reign and done it faster.

 

Probably around 6 or 7 TBH.

 

I have him 5th so nearly the same.

 

No this is what Wlad is

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I have him 4th

 

Let's see...

Ali
Louis
Lewis
Holmes
Foreman
Wlad

 

I think you need to retake remedial math.

 

I'm pretty sure Seamus may have been trying to rattle a few nerves. My post was a reply to him, but the motive behind its creation was mostly so that the actual Wlad fanboys don't start getting too carried away by believing everything positive they read about him.

 

Lmao, this is the exact problem I described. If you didn't discount fights which are 'overblown' and rely on highlights, maybe you'd get a sense on how fighters actually fought. Seven minutes of a career spanning hundreds of rounds, even at world level? This is how Wlad actually fought.

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https://youtu.be/Z-hRkyJIHNU?si=aaG3hIV0aiXOPdEo

https://youtu.be/rUFN18Ty_Ko?si=j_I67IUmGh1Bz3ov

 

Liston has a lower KO% against way smaller men than Wlad fought, but sure, lol.

 

Results don't lie Wlad has one of the highest knockout rates in Heavyweight history you can cope about it all you want

 

I'm just gonna agree to disagree on the intimidation thing. I don't care enough about Wlad or Liston to continue that debate.

However, the Byrd rematch is just another fight which proves my point, and the fact you posted highlights only proves it further. So no, this is the real Wlad. The one who takes zero risks against fighters who pose next to no real threat to him, when he outsizes them, massively. The real Wlad, picks his shots, is patient, methodical and risk averse, and uses his sheer size and massive physical attributes to his limit any chance of getting at his main weakness. The full fight is mostly handfighting, clinches and lulls in action. The highlights however, obviously ignore all of this and show Wlad absolutely destroying a fighter who is tiny next to him.

I'm not even saying Wlad's style was ineffective because it obviously wasn't; and in logistical terms, it was the smartest way for him to fight. But to pretend like Wlad was some destroyer who obliterated threats quickly and boxed guys when he chose to is flat out wrong. He tried to be the guy who went in guns blazing, and obliterated people, and he got knocked out for it. It's simply not who Wladimir Klitschko was as a fighter.

 

So does Primo Carnera.

And what on earth does that have to do with my post? My post was never about Wlad's power (which is absolutely monstrous and I've never claimed otherwise), it was about his style and how he approached fights. Something which has been completely ignored in regard to a Liston fight.

Also, the fact you've earlier in this thread said my arguments don't hinge on watching fights then reply to my full fights which show precisely what Wlad was; with highlight reels and knockout statistics is hilarious.

 

You posted highlights for one fighter while using full fights for another to argue one was better, even though their styles were quite similar. So I posted highlights to show that fighter was also a devastating puncher.

Stay on topic instead of constantly shifting, it weakens your argument. If you don’t like Wlad’s style, that’s fine, but dismissing the success it brought him or refusing to give him credit just because you dislike it is something else entirely. And thinking a smaller heavyweight would magically intimidate and beat him is pure wishful thinking.

 

Louis has the names. Baer, Schmeling, Walcott, Conn....even Carnera, Sharkey, Lewis and Bivins.