Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

Just because Nelson managed to make it the distance with Sanders, unlike Wlad doesn't mean he beats Liston.

 

No.If Lamon Brewster was fighting during Liston's era it is highly likely that he would have
been a few pounds lighter.

 

I said he would put him to sleep.

Much as he did me on several occasions.

 

Of course,Johnny Nelson the renowed,ultra-aggresive knock-out artist.And yes I know you
are ( hopefully ) saying this tongue-in cheek but please,keep it to yourself.
Talking of cruiserweights,what about that guy Usyk ? Just thought I'd mention him.

 

But he wasn't. Brewster also weighed what he weighed.

I realize this is a fantasy fight forum, but we're not talking about imaginary versions of Liston or Brewster.

 

Are you seriously arguing that modern heavyweights would weigh the same if they were fighting during Liston's era ?

 

Not absolute proof agreed,but it is a fairly indication that Liston punched harder than Klitschko.

 

I'm arguing that Liston weighed what he weighed, and Brewster weighed what he weighed.

If you want to invent an imaginary version of Liston who trained the way you want him to, go ahead. But I've never seen that imaginary Liston in the ring, so I'm not going to guess how he'd do against Wlad.

 

It seems to me that you stubbornly denying that modern fighters are allowed to weigh a few pounds more
in these modern times than they were in Liston's time.Yes or no ?

 

One knocked out sub 200 heavyweights and small heavyweights the other knocked out SHWs idk just based on that I'd have to say Wlad hit harder

 

Wepner was hardly a sub 200 heavyweight ! At the risk of sounding pedantic Bethea weighed 204 lbs.

 

It seems to me that you're not reading my posts.

You're doing the same thing that Marciano fans used to do. Marciano fans didn't like that their hero weighed around 185 pounds. It made him seem small. But instead of just living with the fact that a 185 pound man isn't as big as they'd like, the Marciano fans started inventing imaginary, bigger versions of Marciano.

"What if Marciano used modern training?" they asked. "Why, he'd be 210 pounds today! At least! Maybe bigger!"

But they've largely stopped doing this, because it looked desperate and ridiculous, and people didn't take it seriously.

What if Liston bulked up to be Brewster-sized, you ask? It doesn't matter. Because he didn't. What if Brewster drained himself with old school training? Same answer. It doesn't matter. It never happened.

These fighters weighed what they weighed. Their sizes were their sizes. I care about the actual Sonny Liston of history, who is the only Sonny Liston we see in the ring.

 

Oh come on ! Look, 7 of Bethea's teeth were knocked out.Why on earth would people lie about this ?
So according to you the first Liston punch knocked out,let's say 2 of Bethea's teeth? Perhaps the second
Liston punch knocked out ,again let's throw in a number, 3 of Bethea's teeth ? And finally just for fun,let's
say Liston's third punch knocked out the remaining 2 teeth that Bethea lost ?
Very,very unlikely.
Bethea's teeth were extracted by a single punch by Mr Sonny Liston.

 

He was a feather fisted bum though lets be real

 

No it seems to me that you are the one that's missing the point of my argument.Under modern conditions Liston
would easily match Brewster by putting the comparatively paltry additional 10 pounds ( we are talking heavyweights here ).
Trying to argue that Brewster was physically superior to Liston because of a few pounds is just nonsense,