Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

So if Ali can't frighten a professional athlete who dominated his division into giving up, does Ali just lose?

If so, I hope Ali has been practicing his scary staredown face. There's a lot riding on it.

 

I disagree that he would be anywhere close to matching Wlad, since Wlad was considered a massive puncher even in his own era of bigger guys trained for power.

Thst said, I assume Liston would still hit plenty hard enough to hurt people, but I would also assume his best chance is that he was technically proficient, in that old school sort of way.

 

Ah the Ol sarcastic cop out because Wlad vs Ali is so hysterically obvious you won’t dignify it.

 

I’ll say it again! He’d be a Byrd sized guy trying to fight like a Lennox sized guy! Liston would need to be rebuilt from the ground up, his meal ticket would be revoked today… best shots at Cruiser or as a big LHW IMO he didn’t have the technical ability of a “Big” James, Byrd, Louis etc to be a 190-210lbs-ish guy and hang up stairs.

 

Strewth ! Look man, you've overdosed on the most ridiculous word-salad I've seen in a long time.Just look at the peak Ali.
Now just look at inhibited Wlad became when faced with even moderate speed and a bit of unorthodoxy.
You will see,surely you will see,that Muhammad Ali would have been far,far,far too much for Wlad to deal with.

 

Er.....no.

 

lol okay… technically break it down for us stupid people.

 

With the historical Liston fighting as-is, the differential would have the same boy-versus-man look that the Byrd fight did, yeah.

I think Wlad would be more cautious with Liston than with Byrd because Liston (presumably) still had enough pop to remain dangerous for a while. So the exhausting (for Liston and the viewers alike) jab and clinch routine would have to grind Liston down first.

I do wonder what happens with Liston's attempts at inside fighting, and the glove size might also be relevant.

 

Ok mate,let's just say we're never going to agree on the outcome of Liston and Wlad,and agree to disagree.

 

Sure. Nothing wrong with that. If we all agreed, we wouldn't need a forum.

 

Blinding handspeed,blinding footspeed,unreal reflexes,great chin.Please do some homework on the subject of reflexes,particularly Ali's reflexes.
You'll find it very beneficial.

 

Cheers mate,take care.

 

You're just making all that up.

You can watch the fight. I posted it. It didn't happen.

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Here's the actual fight above and the actual news report of the fight below. No mention of any teeth missing.

It's hyperbole. It went from his gums were bleeding to ... 60+ years later ... he got seven teeth knocked out with one punch.

Repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true.

It simply never happened.

Bethea's Manager Protests Decision
CHICAGO (UPI)
Aug. 7, 1958

Tony Vone, co-manager of conquered heavyweight Wayne Bethea, charged today his fighter’s defeat by Sonny Liston Wednesday night was “bagged.”

"The referee never should have stopped the fight,” Vone said. "Sure, he was bleeding, but it was from the gums and not from cuts, and he wasn’t hurt.”

Vone charged after referee Bernie Weissman In the ring after he halted the bout at 1:09 of the first round yelling it was “in the bag. I can see it in your face. I can see it in your eyes.”

Bethea, knocked down for the first time in his 28 pro fights, said he never was groggy or hurt, and “he never should have stopped the fight.”

Frank Gilmer, chairman of the Illinois Athletic Commission and a former referee, said “If I’d been the referee, I’d have done exactly the same thing.”

“When a boxer is hit and turns completely around and makes no effort to face his opponent and staggers off to the side still with his back to his opponent and gives every appearance or not having his faculties, the only thing a referee can do is protect the fighter from possible serious injury,” he said.

Gilmer said that if Vones does not bring his charges before the commission, he would be requested to appear for a hearing to show proof of his charges or his license would be revoked.

Truman Gibson, president of the International Boxing Club, offered champion Floyd Patterson $250,000 to defend his title against Liston because “he’s not one of those slappy guys, but a real puncher and the kind of fighter who can breathe life into the division.”

 

@cross_trainer I has been taught dem tings today - excellent technical breakdown milord.