Benavidez ducking Bivol?

You said why he will take Benavidez the official challenger my answer is that he want a third fight with Beterbiev because Beterbiev is more marketable and will bring in more money. He is at the end of his career and is prioritizing fights that bring in money. Instead of taking an unnecessary risk.

La Voz de Boxeo, which interviewed Benavidez, said that Bivol did not want to fight him.

 

Without knowledge of the reason behind him having a legacy fight in front of a mandatory, I'm not willing to suggest he is avoiding anything. if you are knowledgeable of this sport, and life in general, you'd know where there's money, there's politics. And there is definitely a lot of money surrounding this sport. Even with all the babbling we get from different reps, promoters, camps, fighters, and YouTubers with alleged inside sources.....we never get the actual facts surrounding the dealings of these fights. So I take everything with a grain of salt reported.

Bivol being stripped weeks after becoming undisputed is evidence of politics. Especially when we've seen guys like Charlo, Canelo, Tank Davis, Errol Spence Jr.....etc.....go 1,2, or even 3 years without fighting a mandatory for a title and never even threatened with being stripped.

Again, I don't feel DB isn't worthy of the opportunity, but him being a priority over a trilogy or a Canelo rematch is hard for me to see.

You claim it 'seems' I have no respect to rankings...... Not sure how you got that as I am quick to point out the rankings being a factor of the value of an opponent, refer to my Crawford defenses when people claim he hasn't fought anyone, yet since winning his first title back in 2014, Crawford has fought just one opponent who wasn't ranked in the top 15 of the division he was repeating in and that was Hank Lundy. The remaining 17 opponents were ranked in the division. But individuals love to shoot that notion down.

As far as Benavidez....saying he should fight Bivol and then Bivol fights Beterbiev afterwards, why? Though most feel Bivol would be the favorite in the match up, what happens if Benavidez comes out on top? It depreciates the trilogy. It will more than certainly bring more noise to the demand for Canelo/Benavidez, but it lessens the marketing for Bivol facing his biggest rival in the division. So, Bivol looking in that direction rather than Benavidez is more business smart than him avoiding as, the risk reward does not trump the legacy.

And if one feels Benavidez is favored to beat Bivol, with Bivol looking in another direction, why not argue Benavidez to gun for Beterbiev in order to eliminate the competition for the fight. Or Callum Smith. The other guys who are just as qualified to get the next fight with Bivol.

 

You don't seem to understand that Benavidez is a much bigger name than Bivol and Beterbiev in the sport of boxing. Benavidez has been fighting on ppv co main or main events since he was 21 years old, and has now main evented 3 ppvs in Vegas, not to mention the profile he has in north america being a mexican american linked to Canelo. His gate numbers are bigger along with his PPV numbers. His interview with Jake Paul will hit 1 million views in a week.

Bivol and Beterbiev are 2 russians that barely speak english who have spent their careers fighting free to air in small events. Even their 'big rematch' was only in front of 6000 people and drew 45k ppvs. They are not stars.

Benavidez in Vegas is a much bigger profile fight for Bivol than fighting beterbiev in rihad at 3am again. Nothing can compete with a big Vegas fight if you understand boxing. If Benavidez wins it derails the trilogy but would create a much bigger fight with Beterbiev. Don't confuse a 'big fight' with a promoter over paying the fighters with big money. He can pay them 200m each but it still won't make their trilogy a big fight.

 

I get what you are saying and in that comment I did say that Beterbiev was more attractive moneywise..... I made a typo of putting 'Bivol's name there instead of Beterbiev but most understood who I was talking about.

 

Do you think that Beterbiev and Bivol are looking to cash out. You think they put making maximum dollar and popularity over legacy?..... If that was the cse, they both would be gunning for Canelo.

As I stated, their trilogy is bigger amongst their fans than a fight vs Benavidez. Benavidez is bigger here amongst American fans and the Mexican following, of course the numbers would be crazy. This is the reason why most don't understand why Canelo tries to downplay the match up with DB. But Bivol/Beterbiev as you pointed out have spent their careers on stages much smaller than a Vegas stage. Do you think it's because they couldn't be marketed? Beterbiev was putting down everyone that stood in front of him. Barely being able to speak English means nothing because Canelo isn't the most fluent English speaker..... GGG and Manny definitely required a closed caption when they did interviews as well.

Benavidez/Bivol is not the fight most are screaming for.... We only are asking for it because with every day passing, the Canelo fight looks further and further away......Bivol is looking to write his own legacy. Not be a stepping stone for someone trying to share a stage with Canelo.

 

Not me but it's okay

 

Benavidez is officially a p4p fighter now, and generally one of the most highly regarded young fighters in the sport, and a boogeyman, which means he is actually a bigger legacy fight for Bivol than beating Beterbiev again. He already beat him, so it really won't do much for his legacy but a fresh scalp of the boogeyman that Canelo ducked would really boost his legacy even more imo. Benavidez is not some random mandatory.

I also think you are underestimating the popularity for the fight. If we did a poll in the boxing world, for Bivols next opponent I bet the Benavidez match up would clearly be the most popular. Benavidez/Bivol IS the fight most fans are screaming for imo.

As for cashing out. Bivol will likely get more for fighting Beterbiev but I doubt it would be much more than you think. At the end of the day he has to decide what he values more. The belt or extra money.

 

The fight I want to see is Beterbiev VS Benavidez that would be one for the ages.. The winner gets Bivol. Thats the scenario I would like to see play out but any fight between these three will be good.

 

I think Benavidez presents all kinds of problems for Bivol.

Should Bivol be the favorite? Yes, but I think Benavidez's offensive creativity/arsenal and overall mentality make him a live dog.

Incidentally, I think prime Beterbiev stops Benavidez. David enjoys combat, and I think that mindset would be his undoing against a younger, more dynamic Beterbiev.

 

It's all good. I didn't catch it until I went back and looked at my post.

 

He's officially a p4p fighter now due to what accomplishment? What win did he just achieve that made him official? Stop it. Legacy, Benavidez is not a bigger win than Beterbiev. Both Bivol and Beterbiev were top 10 on every p4p list at the start of their fights. So what that Bivol has already beat him. He's lost to him as well, which is why the trilogy needs to be completed sooner than later to be more accurate of who is the better fighter closest to their prime.

We don't want another situation like Canelo/GGG's trilogy fight with one fighter clearly on the back side of his career because they waited too long.

And I'm not underestimating anything. I've already acknowledged how big of a draw the Benavidez fight would be......FOR AMERICAN FANS. If you think that their actual fans over there care more about seeing Bivol fight Benavidez than a 3rd fight vs Beterbiev, then you are fooling yourself. And the fans here in the states only care about the fight because a win would be a badge on Benavidez's coat to suggest that Canelo NEEDS to fight him. Bivol was NEVER a target for Benavidez until he started losing confidence that he would get the Canelo fight.

No where am I saying that the match up isn't a big draw today. Nor am I trying to suggest that Benavidez doesn't deserve the opportunity.... I'm just stating that the boxing fans who support Bivol and Beterbiev through and through.... their countrymen care more about that match up than Bivol & Benavidez. If you ever get a chance to travel over there, you'll notice that not everyone loves about American fighters as much as Americans. Look at the support Jeff Horn got when he was facing Manny Pacquiao (who's not even American but fought all of his major bouts in the U.S).... The chants that were coming in for Kambosos when he fought Devin Haney. The crazy support of Madrimov and unrealistic view of his ability when he was fighting Terence Crawford. Or look at the expectations put on Brock Jarvis vs an experience and rarely active Keith Thurman.......they love their fighters over there even when they aren't the biggest names in boxing and/or passed their prime. Kell Brook vs Amir Khan was reported to have 600k PPV buys.... if I'm not mistaken. Those guys were WELL PASSED their prime.

Again, Bivol is looking to close the chapter on his actual rival. Benavidez is new to the division and not a priority in his eyes being that he is a young gun in comparison. Not sure why American fans feel fighters need to stop the process they are doing for themselves and career just to fight an American popular fighter who clearly is just looking to use the match up as a steppingstone if he were to win.

 

Benavidez is a bigger name in America

Beterbiev and Bivol are bigger names globally (not saying they are superstars) because they have headlined two FOTY bouts which all major boxing broadcasters covered and promoted.

They were both big events and the promotional efforts that went into them underlines that.

Benavidez has never had that type of push before.

 

Even this version of Beterbiev would really hurt and stop Benavidez.

Stylistically this is the much better fight.

 

I think that's possible.