Will a talent as agile as Ali, technical as Usyk, versatile like Holyfield with KO power ever exist?

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Unlikely. Most top heavies today aren't turning pro until they are a bit older and most are only reaching their peak in their early 30's.

    Very unlikely any 32 year old can be as fast as a 22 year old Ali or a 22 year old Mike Tyson for that matter.

    If you have a guy with serious 9/10 ko power, it isn't that likely he will develop the kind of technical skills Usyk has unless he is naturally on the more cautious side psychologically.

    I very much doubt we will even see a fighter like Mike Tyson again , let alone someone as quick as Ali, technical as Usyk and well rounded as Holyfield.
     
  3. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Yes, but not in the heavyweight division. The higher the weight, the harder it would be to combine those high quality traits. I would say Ray Leonard had those traits for a part of his career.
     
  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Was holyfield that versatile?

    You can't have it all. Always a trade off.

    Why prime Pacquiao scared the hell out of Mayweather after he pummeled Cotto.
     
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  5. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    The indians have the biggest dicks und the poles are the best lovers .

    My name is winnetou kowalski
     
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  6. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Gene doping will be a thing someday. They will make boxers from today look like garbage, and everyone will agree. They'll be enhanced with cybernetics and gene editing
     
  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Maybe Herbie Hide? Hard hitter, very fast, seemed skilled, and cruiserweight-sized. His problem was durability, which isn't one of the traits you asked for.
     
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    Kiwi Fish Active Member Full Member

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    People who have the natural kind of power you are talking about don't develop the rest of Their game to the same extent those fighters did because they don't have to. And if they did they would "lose" some of their power because power is also a mental game as well.

    So no I don't think they will ever exist with out some changes to the sport/people.
     
  9. Eternal

    Eternal Active Member Full Member

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    "Will a talent as agile as Ali, as technical as Usyk, versatile like Holyfield with KO power ever exist?"

    Last I knew Roy Jones jr is still alive although not in his prime anymore.
     
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  10. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Téofilo Stevenson came pretty damn close to this description.
     
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  11. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bob Armstrong is like a worse 1800s version of this.
     
  12. Ike

    Ike Member Full Member

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    A near perfect boxer for me was Gene Tunney. Great footwork, technique, speed, great Ring I.Q., good power, great chin, workrate and stamina. And indeed The Fighting Marine was one of the best boxers in history.
     
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  13. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    People never mention him as an ATG heaveyweight. If I'm not mistaken, he may have been one of, if not the 1st, to study film of his opponent.
     
  14. Ike

    Ike Member Full Member

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    Yes, that's right, Tunney studied his opponents. Gene never lost in the heavyweight division and retired as a world champion, he didn't have many matches in the heavyweight division (where he fought in the last 3 years of his career) and in the rankings of the best he is seen more in the light heavyweight division, where, with Charles and Moore, he can be considered among the best 3.

    Then in my opinion Tunney deserves to be in a very high position in the best p4p of all time, because in his career he only lost against the great Greb, who he then defeated 3 times, he beat Gibbons inside the distance (the only one to do so), Loughran, Carpentier and won 2 times against Dempsey. It is fair to say that both Tunney and Dempsey did not face some black boxers of the time, unfortunately in those days this could happen and several black boxers did not have the world chance they deserved, Langford and Willis above all.
     
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  15. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why would it? That's four different fighters.
     
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