(PRIME) Oleksandr Usyk vs. (PRIME) Joe Frazier

Ali stopped Foreman, Bonavena and Liston - 3 guys who had never been stopped before.

In 41 rounds vs Frazier, Ali threw the kitchen sink at Frazier and was only able to stop him once through a sustained 14 round beating.

Usyk is a great fighter but he has never stopped someone as durable as Bonavena or Foreman even at cruiserweight. Yet we are to believe that he is so powerful that he is going to bounce Frazier up and down the canvas like Foreman did.

Appearently modern boxers are so advanced that not only are their skills greater than old timers but also their bodies have evolved 10,000 years in the span of just 50 years. Hence modern boxers hit far harder than old timers do. Lol.

 

I'll take the guy that was bigger than Foreman but also a master boxer.

 

Not bigger than Foreman. Maybe 5-7 lbs heavier. Foreman used to boil himself down from 230 lbs or so because trainers back then encouraged guys to be on the lighter side due to the potential for 15 round fights.

Besides why the Foreman comparison? Usyk doesn't hold a candle to Foreman in terms of power. Usyk doesn't hit as hard as Ali so why not a more reasonable comparison to Ali?

 

So, bigger.

Wow, so, you are saying that Frazier lost to a less than ideal version of Foreman who is dehydrated and weak? I wonder what fully hydrated, rearing to go Usyk would do?

Usyk hits hard enough to have guys bigger than Foreman ever fought stumbling all over the ring

Ali used to ask his gal to make breakfast because he wasn't able to crack the eggs. Facts.

 

You are not interested in a serious conversation. Usyk is not even close to the puncher Foreman was.

And Usyk has not demonstrated the kind of power Ali did vs durable opponents. If Ali couldn't crack an egg, then Usyk couldn't either.

I don't care if Usyk has managed to hurt guys bigger. Bigger does not equal more durable. Neither Joshua nor Dubois are known for their chins. Come back to me when Usyk stops a fighter as durable as Bonavena or Foreman and then claim Ali couldn't crack an egg.

 

All kinds of subjective opinions on display here ^ Usyk would have dribbled Bonavena around the ring like a basket ball

 

Based on how he dribbled Gassiev, Chisora, Breidis, Glowacki etc. Sure. My opinions are of course subjective as all opinions are. But my opinions are also backed up by objective facts. Ali stopped multiple durable opponents. Usyk did not. At best, Usyk's power is comparable to Ali. At best.

In no universe is Usyk going to bounce Frazier around like Foreman.

 

A stumpy little heavyweight coming right at Usyk the whole night long sounds like Usyk's christmas christmas present.

 

P4P GOAT and current flavor of the month Usyk struggling with smoking joe in a poll
But I thought Usyk was way better than Mayweather, Robinson, Duran, Leonard, Ali etc?

Is he not by far the best the sport has ever seen? Look at the monsters he beat at Cruiserweight and heavyweight, plus all his success as an amateur!!

 

I feel like Usyk is under credited on the inside in this thread. He got weight bullied by Chisora and mostly found success on the outside in that fight from what I remember, but he's shown he's a great combination puncher at close range gainst several fighters, throwing 6-8 punches on the inside and being out again against many fighters

 

If Usyk fights the perfect fight, he might be able to avoid getting stopped by Frazier. But, he wouldn't win.

 

Usyk outboxes him and possibly stops him late.

 

You cannot compare the advancements fighters have made now and also the amateur experience most of them have, compared to the 50s era fighters. But for fun I would say if Joe would be given the same time and amateur career as Usyk, he would have stopped him. Probably outweighed him also, with all the science behind it now (strength and conditioning being on another level, supplements and other recovery enhancing tactics)

 

Hmm? does your birth year begin with a 2?