Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

True, we're in danger of going down a hypothetical rabbit hole here, but for my part, I was thinking of the Wlad, exactly as he was from the Fury fight, vs the Brewster from their first fight, without benefiting from any additional insight into Brewster over and above that which he had in reality going into their first fight.

That is to say, he still developed and adapted his style the same way following the experience of the Brewster loss, without benefitting from, for example, being able to read Brewster's tell tale triggers before throwing his big punches. I hope that makes sense

 

I have watched the Pulev fight a few times.

I wasn't as impressed the first time for some reason probably skewed by my young age. I thought Wlad's punch output was slowing down but Pulev made it easier for him to land the left hook.

When I watched it again I thought it was a very impressive performance from Wlad. There wasn't really need for Wlad to expand more energy than he needed to when he was landing his hook like that. Pulev put in quite a good effort despite being destroyed. The battle of the jabs was pretty even.

 

There was no battle of jab. It was a fight of stand up grappling.
Pulev was cheated with an illegal spongy canvas

 

Compubox describes pulev as statuesque.
Those watching the sport at the time knew Pulev as a tricky in and out fighter. Not statuesque.
He was in this position due to the illegal bouncy castle imposed by Klitschko who needed opponents to stand straight in front of him

Hamburg, Germany - WBO/IBF/IBO/WBA heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko made his punches count, scoring four knowdowns with 17 landed power punches vs. the statuesque Pulev, who had his moments early before walking into several rarely-used Klitschko left hooks. The fight was finally waved off in the fifth round, when Pulev went down and out for the fourth

 

You could just say you think Wlad was completely useless in short.

 

Spongy canvas doesn't mean anything imo. You find out about that stuff when you sign the contract, and there's no way they wouldn't train for it in for the heavyweight world title.

I'm no heavyweight, nor contender but I have sparred in gyms where the padding in the canvas was a lot thicker and it's hardly debilitating. It definitely didn't alter my style. I do personally prefer a bare bones, slither of canvas over some plyboard type of ring (you can hear the stomp on your shots, yknow?), but to me it's definitely not a big factor.

 

There was no battle of jabs in that wrestling match. Why do you lie ?

 

I offered my opinion. It's fine if you don't agree lol.

 

Ignore him dude is Wlad's number 1 hater

 

Klitschko was training on a spongy canvas late in his career. Pulev might have been the only opponent who he beat by bouncing up and down on his bouncy castle

Obviously he tried fighting Fury on the same canvas but Fury wasn't a push over like Pulev. Team fury were well aware of all their dirty tactics

 

Your his number #1 bum boy. Rarely see you post about anything else. Him and golovkin. I wonder why u think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread

 

It's a matter of truth. The fight was a battle of hugs not jabs. Klitschko never engaged in a battle of anything with anybody.
Everybody knows he was a safety first fighter and threw only when he knew nothing would be coming back .

 

Mate, as a relatively new & seemingly pleasant poster, please let me save you some time. Responding to Dino on anything Wlad related in the hope of a reasonable, balanced discussion, is an exercise as futile as attempting to reason Charles Manson into seeing people as equals regardless of gender or race.

 

It's ok I am aware.

 

Liston wasn’t sponge worthy.