Your Hottest Takes:

- Floyd Mayweather has a case for being p4p higher than Roberto Duran,mainly because most of his opponents were younger than him(although I still had Duran maybe one number higher)
- Vito Antuofermo had good defense at times.
- Duran would have possibly win that Hagler fight (atleast in my cards) if he didn't blew it up by the 4th low blow.
- Hagler was more of a calculative jawbreaker and not a destroyer.
- There was no boxing era that had every boxers being better than the last generation,every era has their own crops of fighters that could go go toe to toe with anybody,regardless of their era.(The bare knuckles excluded)
- Despite his early achievements, Salvador Sanchez was never truly tested.

 

Prime GGG defeats Hagler on points

 

I have so many lol
- Floyd and Pacquiao should both be ranked higher then any heavyweight P4P including Joe Louis and Ali
- Usyk would beat most great heavyweight champs including Ali and Holmes
- Wlad is a top 5 heavyweight and his competition is underrated
- GGG resume isn't substantially worse then Hagler's
- Heavyweights in general are a level below every other division in terms of skill and talent
- Vitali gets underrated H2H but would give any heavyweight in history problems and would beat most
- Loses shouldn't take away from how great a fighter is only their wins should be considered when considering how great they are
I'm sure I can think of more

 

- Jack Johnson is a top 5 HW, greatness wise.
- Baby Arizmendi has a better resume than Chavez. Screw the blemishes, he has multiple wins over half a dozen ATGs, Chavez has none.
- Whitaker, Foster, Zarate and potentially to a lesser extent Jofre (at 118) and Duran (at 135) are ranked highly mostly due to name value/prestige than they do achievements/resume.
-Beterbiev and Bivol are not top 20 ATG LHW's.
- Usyk's resume is overrated P4P, but underrated at HW.
-Maxie Rosenbloom has a deeper resume than your favourite fighter.
- Jose Napoles is arguably a top 5 fighter in terms of sheer ability, ever
- The modern approach to world class professional Boxing stunts the fighter's potential and ruins them as a result.
-Harry Wills > Sonny Liston, in terms of greatness
- Sugar Ray Robinson has greater feats of power than GGG.
- Rocky Marciano was great.

 

I'm gonna list the Floyd thing a bit later, there's so much.

For Sal,I believe that Gomez was kind of small and undertrained(he'll never beat Sanchez with full training anyways),and Azumah was kinda green and fought with short notice, Sal also died too early before he could fight guys like Arguello or Pedroza.

 

I saw this a few weeks ago in another boxing discussion (definitely not here but can't remember were I saw it) which had a all time ranking of Sam Langford/Harry Wills and Joe Jeanette in the top 5 heavyweights of all time which I found pretty interesting.

 

The top of the heavyweight division would be full of seven footers if not for basketball.

 

Unsure of how controversial this is, atleast amongst more hardcore fans, but Tommy Hearns is MAJORLY overrated in terms of his welterweight greatness. He's one of my all time favourite fighters and in a H2H sense he's definitely up there, but he didn't build up his resume enough at the weight.The Cuevas win was impressive but that and a few decent title defenses is not even enough to put him above a guy like Donald Curry or Errol Spence, let alone into the top 10 imo.

 

Yeah, sometimes a fat guy can even win a major fight by countering a flush shot because he's too bug to lose his footing easily.

 

* Miguel Cotto was beating Sergio Martinez 10 times out of 10, bum knee or no. Just a horrible matchup for Sergio.
* Ending your career undefeated doesn't automatically mean your resume is suspect.
* Tommy Burns's reign as heavyweight champion is very underrated
* Not only do I think Floyd Mayweather won his fight with JLC, I think upon a recent rewatch that the wider scorecards are actually defensible.
* Along the same lines, many of the fights that are considered robberies are often debatable at worse.

 

Outside of 130lbs, Floyd Mayweather is arguably not top 5 - 10 at every single weight he competed at.

Mike Tyson's chin for a single shot is better than Ali's.

Evan Fields may be the most versatile and skilled HW of the ATGs.

Rigo was a better boxer than Loma despite getting dominated in their fight.

RJJ alike PBF isn't likely top 1 - 3 at the weights he competed but could be argued top of the tree H2H from 160 - 175 lbs in a one fight, no rematches scenario.

SRR would KO Duran.

Saddler just might be greater than Pep - probably one of the hardest fighters to face p4p.

Floyd Mayweather isn't significantly greater than the other defensive greats in any facet of defence in particular, but his consistency and use of all four key components of defence are the greatest captured on film.

B-Hop is a great fighter, an ATG fighter but I don't know if I necessarily look at him as a great MW fighter in the same way that I do with Monz and Hags.

 

Can relate to your 5th point honestly,I always think Duran was an invincible bloke only defeated by his laziness.

Now I realized that all those defeats were fair and square tbh,and there are some great fighters of today that might defeat him, although I still think Duran was greater than them atleast maybe a hair or so.(Floyd,Crawford and Chavez Sr for example)


I agree with the 6th and 7th take,the 6th is because I believe that every generation has their own crops that could fight on every era of gloves boxing,atleast up from the 40s or so because gloved boxing was still developing before that imo,for the 7th I definitely love some more grappling and bare knuckle punching in my modern boxing.


10 and 12 are good takes, it's not too nice to watch dudes sacrificing their lives for entertainment,and greatness is very subjective because there's so much things to consider "great"



For a "weak" or "strong" era,records or the kind of fighters might tell,but then if you don't really analyze the real level of the guys, or how they actually fought on film, it's hard to assert.


Tommy Burns is cool I agree,he lost to Johnson because his small body carried a balls too oversized and overweight.

 

SRR koing Duran,I would give it a 70% chance to happen, Duran was kind of small,he had a frame big enough to jump into super middleweight but still quite small to be a welterweight/middleweight,but considering how infighters gave SRR troubles(even Olson made him look bad),I give Duran a shot, despite how he started to change his style at middleweight,being more similar to Carbajal,sharp shooting counterpuncher that could fight at close quarters.