Lennox Lewis championship run

I think its a pretty strong run Lennox had, with a lot of underrated wins.

Funnily enough Lennox does not have a better win than Bowe's two wins against Holyfield.

 

Do you know what the word context means?

Oh you mean those titles Lennox Lewis invented? That's interesting. Tell me more about this context. Maybe, eventually, you'll explain to yourself why i give 0 shits.

I acknowledged it. Told you I disagree, and here you are going on like I MUST care. I MUST be moved by the plight of mister Lewis. Dude. IDGAF. You keep telling that story until the WBA reg exists THEN tell me why you do give a ****.

 

I think Lennox Lewis fought as tough as level of opposition as any heavyweight that ever lived bar none .. Mason, Weaver, Briggs, Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno, McCall, Morrison, Akinwande, Mercer, Golota, Briggs, Hollyfield, Grant, Tua, Tyson, Rahman, V. Klitschko .. that is an insane level of opposition ... this excludes Bowe who shamelessly ducked him .. there is no doubt that Lewis is in the top handful H2H that ever lived.

 

Ah, the ‘I don’t care’ defense—the last refuge of someone who can’t counter a point but doesn’t want to admit it. You started this by claiming Lewis’ reign was ‘ass’ because he had no undisputed defenses. I showed why that’s a shallow take. Now, instead of actually engaging, you’re pretending apathy is a valid counter. If you never cared, why are arguing?

 

Wow, you are all over. Take note, you've reframed us 3 times while this is my first go. I'm pointing it out for a reason, and yes, I am aware you don't get it but others do and will so it's for the third party reader.

I gave a verdict

I was asked for my reasoning

I gave my reasoning

I was told some super basic bull**** everyone is fully aware of like as if it's some earth shattering new information

I gave sad I don't care for those excuses

Then, like a child, all you've done is cry about that. It's not that I don't care to talk to you bud, you seem cool, it's that I do not give a **** about Lennox Lewis's excuses. I did not give a **** when Mac asked, I didn't give a **** after you shared your super in depth context, and I still don't give a ****. Should you like me to give a ****, get a new reason, or, perhaps, stfu and listen to mine.

 

My point from the beginning is that at the end of the day, belts don’t define greatness—who you beat does. and Lewis beat all the best fighters of his era. That’s been the point from the start. Hype focusing on useless things like undisputed while ignoring who he actually beats seems like pedantic logic to me. Why does that simple point seem to make you crash out?

 

The decision was rendered two weeks before the Grant fight.
If you are interested, here is a link about the entire arguments used by the judge :
https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5914ba7badd7b049347911aa

The form is quite rebarbative but still interesting.

 

Apparently Ring Magazine dictates greatness. Without their ratings you don't have a stance. All you're doing is fighting for the validity of your pretend, fangless, ratings.

Lewis was an amateur with Mike and Evander but didn't go pro with them. When Mike was undisputed Lennox was 3 years away from starting as a pro.

Waited more than a decade to try Evander, Holyfield was nearly 40

Beat ancient Mike Tyson to join the likes of Paul in those who have defeated the man named Mike long after the Iron had cooled.

Out of 44 bouts he was able to capture 3 undefeateds, none of which are a name anyone is willing to call great.

Beat Rahman after Rahman had already lost a few

Briggs, Tua, Mercer, Morrison, Tucker, all after they're exposed. Bothered to expose **** all no one worth anything.


And here we find ourselves arguing for Grant like as if he was ever any champion and using Grant to justify Lennox avoiding his mandos and fighting a flash in the man over hyped no hoper for money.


Yeah, your promotional mag rated the man with a hype campaign above the x2 HW champion.


To cap it all off, this great champion who fought all the best of his era ... roll my ****ing eyes ... then goes to the WBA with a plan that would allow both parties to make more money and give birth to regular titles.


Context?

Ratings?

Buddy you have **** all none of that in your stance. All you are doing is thumping Ring at me then crying when I tell you **** that mag brah.

 

I'm not implying it's anyone's fault. I'm not accepting excuses.

Meanwhile I got a team of two who can't accept that and want to explain to me a bunch of **** everyone already knows as a means to get to accept his excuses.

Lennox Lewis did not face inordinate challenges on his way to the title. He did not face inordinate challenges as champion. He did have an inordinately safe career for someone so heavily praised and his fans do carry an inordinate number of excuses for his short comings.


If I tell you the colorline is no excuse to avoid black challengers are you then going to tell me the details about the color line or simply accept I am unmoved by the motivations of racism?

So why, TF, is it so hard to accept thee idea there is no excuse to good enough to justify what did not happen or what did happen?

That's rhetorical, I'm answer; because it's not something repeated often you don't know how to deal with it BUT every single instance when my position differs from your own while maintaining some connections to some mainstream ideal you've heard of before THEN you can respect my opinion? Like as in my claiming he isn't champion until he's undisputed, got no argument there just told about politics instead. Didn't say I have to recognize him prior. Probably because the one true champion idea isn't mine and you've run into it before so are comfortable not trying to make a convert. However, Lennox Lewis's excuses is shitty is something not very often said and so I must be converted.


What makes WBA Reg okay? Is that why you guys refuse to acknowledge Lennox made it up? If I told you i agree with Lennox how would you handle that? WBA Reg= Bad, everyone knows that. Lennox excuse = truth, everyone knows that. Really, really, difficult to figure out why between the two of you I am the only one talking about it.



For the record, it's not Mike or Evander's fault Lennox held off turning pro until after Mike was already champion. He set himself up to come in while Mike was aging out and avoided unbeaten HWs to make sure he wasn't in place too quickly, but keep telling yourself only Lennox had to deal with Don King and Ali through Evander didn't have to. Poor, poor, Lennox, just could not bring on what his peers already did, couldn't be what his idols were. Because money. Regardless of if you accept his excuses or not. Poor lennox lewis never figured out a way to match Mike or Evander. Boo ****in' hoo bro. Mike got 6 defenses while working with King. Evander got 3. Lennox sold his belt. Poor Lewis. Super duper convincing that ****.

 

Exactly. I have zero recollection of Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield CHASING Lennox Lewis for a fight.

Tyson was sitting in prison when Lewis emerged as a top flight contender, and, once he was out, Tyson vacated his WBC title to avoid his mandatory challenger Lennox Lewis in order to fight Bruce Seldon instead.

On a card where a comebacking Holyfield could've fought Lewis, or Witherspoon or Gonzalez or even Mercer (again), Holyfield chose freaking Bobby Czyz, instead. If Lewis was on a card with all those guys and chose CZYZ ... he never would've heard the end of it.

Holyfield fought Bowe three times, Tyson twice, Moorer twice, Alex Stewart twice, Larry Holmes, Bert Cooper even freaking Vaughn Bean ... but he never called out Lennox Lewis.

Not until it was the only fight left to make.

It was hardly Lennox's "fault" they didn't fight sooner. And, if Evander or Tyson had beaten Lewis, nobody would've said the fights took too long to make. Evander fought for 12 MORE YEARS after that. Lewis didn't.

 

While Lennox missed more top 5 guys than an Ali, Louis or Wlad he otherwise cleaned out the top 20 as well as any of them. You can really approach Lennoxs resume from either angle call him underrated or overrated and have a point.

In the context of Lennoxs era not fighting Bowe, Moorer or Foreman(also no young Wlad and Byrd) doesn't matter because the only guy who fought everyone was Holyfield and he went .500. For his era 2-0-1 against Holyfield and Tyson will do its a flaw that only becomes glaring in the GOAT convo.

My whole thing is recognizing obscure belts and I do not acknowledge the existence of the WBA regular belt.