Why could Moore not beat Charles?

It’s been a second… he came very close before being KO’d in one bout and I’m pretty sure Archie thinks he won one right? I don’t remember @George Crowcroft youd know the truth.

 

From their contrasting styles I guess, Ezzard was a boxer puncher that had deadly counters and always moved from one angle to another for his counters,while Archie just slightly adjusts his foot for a better angle when it comes to gaining a better position.



I think when it comes to other typical boxers, Moore had an easier time vs them because they liked to jab and circle,and Moore was a master at taking away the jab and cutting off the ring.


Meanwhile, Ezzard would hook and leap off the jab, constantly moving his feet to get a better grip on his counters,had a devastating body work,he pretty much had a good, unpredictable and unorthodox arsenal that makes Moore struggle to cut the ring off and close the gap, Ezzard always disappears before you're going to hit him.

 

In fight 2 and 3 he came close unlike the first fight. He was capable of winning it just didn't happen. In fights 2 and 3 he got 6-7 of the 18 rounds and almost stopped Charles in an 8th round he was stopped. So he wasn't far off.

Theres also the recovery from his ulcer surgery. And these fights were done by early 1948. Despite Charles being almost a decade younger a trilogy in the early 50s would have favored Moore. Charles was a speed fighter who started slowing in his early 30s like a Jimmy Young or Roy Jones. On the flip side Charles is 0-2 against Marciano and probably beats him fairly easy in say 1948. So you win some you lose some with timing.

 

The thing with that is Charles had a knockdown and I don't think they were using 10-8 where they deduct for that. So if Moore won 6-4 he wouldn't win under todays rules so its hard to complain about that. I don't know for sure what the system Ohio was using but the newspaper on boxing rec was counting rounds and had it 5-4-1.

 

If Ezzard Charles is at his best, in his youth and bulked up a bit too 185-190lbs he has a chance of beating pretty much anyone up to 230lbs, Charles is potentially the GOAT Duran beat Barkley because Barkley wasn’t as smart, Barkley was many times bigger then Duran, boxing is a bit of physicality and a lot more brains.

 

Yes. Charles despite being 32-33 was declining rapidly by 1954 and was out of the top 10 by 1956 which is the last time he beat someone with a winning record. 51 or 52 Charles probably beats Marciano. But 40s Charles? Woosh.

 

Yeah, prime Ezzard vs Marciano would've been Duran vs Barkley too.

And you forgot that other than brains, experience also adds up, Leonard never experienced prime Duran's pressure and fell off.

 

Charles at his best and at 185-190lbs are mutually exclusive. They can't and don't exist. Charles himself hated being a heavyweight, especially at first.

From the Charles book by William Dettloff, Charles said he was at his best at 173, and he believed being at heavyweight was giving him health issues, such as his heart health scare in his early title run. Iirc, he didn't even care about the title until he beat Louis, before that it was just a way to make more money.

Without steroids at least, Charles can't be at his best and at 185 imo.

 

Didn’t know that, thanks, It’s just my fictional take I believe if we could roid Ol Ezz up to 185-190lbs he’d beat everybody to about 230lbs… as he is he has a very good chance with guys lbs and lbs heavier then he is, I’d pick him over quite a few notable HW’s.

 

Yeah, if we include steroids Charles clears.

 

I once pondered this, with Evan Fields in mind.

The one issue with the HW division is that a huge punch is an equaliser and I do have questions about how much durability Ezz could potentially add with steroid assistance.

 

I've not heard anything specifically, but so far from what I've learnt is that steroids can do stuff you'd never expect them to do. Even if it can't literally make your brain more resilient to physical damage, it can definitely improve recovery, blood flow and general physical preparation, which will all stop you getting KOed as easily. They can also improve upper back and neck size/strength, which would also help durability.

I actually don't think Charles has a big durability problem, all things considered. Sure, he's not George Chuvalo but he's probably as tough as Holyfield. And what he lacks in physical toughness (which isn't much) he more than makes up for in mental toughness.