Your Hottest Takes:

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Mar 31, 2025.


  1. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah Holyfield was definitely pumped full of Peds during his rise up to heavyweight and during it. You can tell by how quickly an suddenly his hair falling out by the time of the foreman fight but still that Evan fields stuff was a set up used by a disgruntled seller or someone in his camp that he fallen out with to expose him . Just can’t see how he or those that brought for him would had used even fields an not expect everyone not to be to figure out it was him
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hot takes ?

    Khaosai Galaxy is very overrated I've seen him rated as high as top 50 I wouldn't even put him in the 100.

    Wilfred Benitez would beat Roberto Duran at any weight.

    Aaron Pryor is not even close to an ATG and I don't think his win over Arguello was legit.

    I don't find Roberto Duran that pleasing to watch overall. Don't get me wrong he has had some performances which I enjoyed vs Barkley, De Jesus 3. But I don't find his style overall appealing too much mauling for me I'd prefer to watch Chavez personally.

    I thought Horn legitimately beat Pacquiao.
     
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  3. Quick Cash

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    If Ortiz was found with beta blockers, and only beta blockers in his system, you would have more solid footing, wouldn't you? But you seem to have already conveniently forgotten about the banned DIURETIC he also popped dirty for and his history of anabolic STEROID use.

    It is highly debatable whether Wilder indeed faced the better opponents. And for the word "opponents" to ring true, you'd have to count Ortiz twice.

    Back on topic, any boxing body that allows their champion to make two mandatory defenses over something like five years is either inept or corrupt. Any boxing body that has Huni five or six places over Anthony Joshua is either inept or corrupt.
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Yeah, Stevenson and Smith were the two I was thinking of. Potentially Kovalev as well, but it's splitting hairs at that point imo.

    Id add the Hatchman and Fitzsimmons to that list, as well as probably Paul Berlenbach and Tiger Jack Fox.

    I also come away from both Beterbiev vs Bivol fights thinking Bivol was clearly the better fighter, and I actually thought he won the first one wider than the second.
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

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    George it's not often I disagree with you but I have to say I thought Bivol did considerably better in the 2nd fight.

    For me the 2nd fight was a repeat of the 1st fight without Beterbiev's strong finish. I thought Bivol pretty much controlled the fight after the 6th round and I only gave Beterbiev 1 round in the 2nd half of fight which was the 12th.

    But I do agree that Bivol has been clearly the better fighter over the 2 fights and I'm of the opinion that a 3rd fight isn't needed because for me Bivol has proved he's the better man IMO.
     
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  6. OddR

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    I am due a rewatch of Beterbiev Bivol 1. I had Beterbiev winning the first fight but yeah I agree it's hard not to give Bivol the 2nd.

    I think it was pretty much 7-5 in both cases. I don't think a 3rd is needed because I am getting tired of trilogies but if there was one I wouldn't mind as much it would be that.

    I am still not completely convinced a third fight won't happen.
     
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  7. Mastrangelo

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    So GGG beat the greatest Mexican fighter of all time twice and is still overrated?
     
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  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He posted the prescription bottles online along with a picture of himself with the doctor. He has team were stupid for not making sure it was cleared before his fight, but there’s a reason he was cleared.

    Yes, Ortizx 2 and Furyx2 (before losing) is better than fighting Dillianabol Whyte.

    Go picket in front of the WBC offices. See if they care. The Ring has no mandatories btw.
     
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  9. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought so as well, or at least that it couldda gone either way.
     
  10. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What did Breazeale do to become the mandatory over Whyte then?

    The Ring forces you to fight a Top 5 contender every 2 years, otherwise they are stripping you of the belt. That's not mandatory, but at least it forces you to fight top competition.
     
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  11. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes
    Canelo was pre prime and Mexico isnt so great when it comes to their top level of boxing in comparison to the USA and Russia/Ukraine
     
  12. Quick Cash

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    His team was stupid, but clever enough to fool some people, apparently. Levels, I guess.
     
  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Has The Ring changed its policy? Tyson Fury stayed near the top year after year even after testing positive for steroids and retiring. I’m not saying the sanctioning bodies are perfect, but I am saying that they try to follow rules and that that the fighters are seeking their belts more than “lineal” or Ring. The sanctioning body belts actually increase the purses of fighters who aren’t huge draws.

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  14. Quick Cash

    Quick Cash Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Summary: the WBC deems their #4 contender "first mandatory", granting their #1 contender and silver champion the chance to fight for "second mandatory" and a vacant interim belt.
     
  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You left out the part about Hearn and Whyte trying to become mandatory without fighting a PBC fighter (again).