Why could Moore not beat Charles?

Controversially, I'm probably at the point of belief where if I want the very best of the best to fight each other and compete regularly, this means they have to train regularly and at this level of elite, wear and tear is a moddasocka.

Might as well make steroids legally controlled for elite athletes, give them access to the same stuff that enhances recovery and then there's an even playing field.

Yes, there will always be abusers and those who look for an unfair advantage, but if the drug agencies control the means and the access and are doing regular testing then the cheaters will always be found eventually.

Then at the same time, Barney Ross, Armstrong, Langford, Fitz, SRR, Pep, Ike Williams, Saddler, Wilde, Canzoneri, Gans, Greb, Benny L - they all achieved greatness without the steroids. I suppose if one wants to compare then sports science advance and better nutritional knowledge should allow you to dare for greatness without additional artificial assistance.

It's a weird one. If you're clean and everyone does it anyways, why would you not use a gun when someone points a knife at you? Damned if you don't and damned if you get caught.

 

Quite likely.

 

Archie though he won the second one. They fought in Ezzard's hometown and he won a Majority Decision, so its plausible. Other than that, styles perhaps, and Ezzard was a murderous puncher with brilliant boxing abilities.

 

Top post.

I do think some posters here actually make too much of steroids though, like they're some magic formula that defy logic and can turn a no name into a world beater. It pretty clear some posters on here have no experience with training or this stuff (not to be rude). Roids, especially in combat sports, are used primarily for recovery. Harder, more excessive drugs and dosages are almost exclusive to the realm of bodybuilding nowadays. No matter how much you roided up an old, untalented heavyweight, for example, they would never become as good as an unroided Ali.

Of course, at the elite level where 1% can make a difference, roids are potent and you'd be a fool not to take them. However, in some of the match ups here people posit that average current fighters can beat ATGs just due to roids, which is just silly imo.

 

It also adds a whole new aspects of a fighters genetics imo. Like, some guys just simply respond a lot better to the drugs than most people ever will. There could be an athlete who's extremely average in all categories, and with 300mg of test and some other more sport specific stuff, could go from a non rated fighter to a decently rated fighter. Then they'll be guys who can take triple the dosage of the same stuff and see a third of the results.

I personally, really don't like it, but I have absolutely no idea how you'd fix it. Coz imo, making it fair game just doesn't change anything as everyone is already on it right now, and the richest/most successful fighters will still be able to take the best/most (or more accurately, the best/most they can without going overboard and getting caught), and guys who don't make as much simply can't do.

Although I have been thinking, the idea every pro is on them is definitely untrue. Just logistically, are you telling me a UFC fighter who is earning 20,000 grand every four months is spending half of that training, a decent wedge on tax, then paying for food, training, coaching, etc

It's just as unreasonable to assume everyone is on it as nobody is imo.

 

Yeah, the steroid question is a difficult one. The only thing that can really be done at the moment is improving testing, but that requires funding and the drug application always seems to be a step ahead.

Although, I wouldn't be adverse to steroids and corruption if we got more spectacles like this

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It's good to see you about mate, I thought you'd died or something and it was just this morning I was listening to Rhyme Asylum

 

Same with you mate - you're still making some of the best posts on here tbh. I find my posting interest ebbs and flows nowadays, alongside how much I actually watch. Might have to start some GOAT Primo threads.

Man, I haven't listened to Rhyme Asylum in a minute. Lately I've been listening to Elvis Costello (which is definitely not like grime / rap ).

 

I'm not long back from a big break myself, mate. I just float around between topics tbh.

It's definitely not I've been listening to a lot of Reggae

 

Here's some music that can be the thread theme

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Also, just to add to this a little bit more, I think steroids today are also used to enhance things like general athletics, to counter act the massive caloric deficits some fighters have fo basically live in, and of course, to push the envelope a bit further in terms of intensity with every camp.

 

Moore had his health issue (I think it was something to do with the appendix), he didn’t become elite until after he sorted it out which makes sense.
Also Ezzard Charles was in his prime at the time.

 

Decent post until you made that asinine statement. No one below 190lb in history has an easy time with Marciano.