the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

FT, couldn't resist when I saw it in its entirety.

Ike Williams v Fitzie Pruden (Non-title scored on the Midwest's 10-point divided system)

A very spirited 10 round fight. I won't run a card because I gave all 10 rounds to Ike for a 60-40 scorecard. I felt the judges were overly generous to Fitzie (55-45, 51-49 and 52-48 or 7-2-1, 5-4-1 and 6-4). Fitzie could fight and made several rounds very close, but I felt Ike's steady jab and combos ran every round and had Fitzie cut up pretty bad over both eyes by the fight's end. Incidentally, as mentioned, Ike lost his lightweight title in his next bout to Jimmy Carter but it should be noted that he hadn't made 135 in about a year and a half. He had been fighting at welter and had 18 bouts at that weight in that timeframe. Amazed he made it down to the weight and not amazed now that I really look at it how he was manhandled by Carter. He couldn't have had much for that fight after boiling down to 135.

 

Victor Galindez UD15 Yaqui Lopez I

Figured I'd rewatch some Galindez after @Flo_Raiden's thread, was gonna start with the Hutchens fight but I couldn't find a copy worth the time to watch, so I just stuck this one on.

Galindez - Lopez
10 : 9
9 : 10
10 : 9
9 : 10
10 : 9 (48/47)
10 : 9
9 : 10
10 : 9
10 : 9
9 : 10 (96/94)
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9 (146-139)

Scoring wise, I was surprised to find my card being closer to the 147-140 (10-3-2, I believe?) card, as I had it 11 four, likely splitting whatever those even rounds were between the two. However, there was a bunch of close rounds early on, and it could really have been anyone's fight over the first 10/11 rounds. However, from 12 onwards, I thought Galindez really took things up a notch and won those rounds on my card by all four categories. He showed a better defence, landed cleaner shots and more of them, he controlled Lopez by suckering him into the range Galindez needed him at with the low lead and lazy approach to movement (ie; going straight backwards); then barreling forward with a counter and following it up with a barrage from one side of the ring to the other. That to me, clearly checks effective aggression and ring generalship.

Galindez was a monster though, wasn't he? I love the Argentinan shoulder roll @FThabxinfan mentioned; combined with how well he fought off the ropes, he actually looked Mayweather-esque in there at times, albeit without the footwork. He also looked a little like Duran too; slipping shots in the way in and using them as an entry to the clinch, then mauling them there. He was very explosive, and strong, he worked the body well especially with the right hand. He threw a wicked uppercut as soon as Lopez's head dipped down and the leaping left hook was as menacing as any owned by the more well known leaping left hookers.

Galindez was pretty dirty here, hitting low and behind the head multiple times, and while not necessarily dirty, was definitely rough in the clinch. I love it, I think A) think it's awesome when a fighter is genuinely skilled at being dirty and getting away with it, and B) love when the guy is being dirty out of heart, rather than out of a lack of heart, like Rigo vs Loma or something. There was a quote in there by one of the commentators which really summed Galindez up nicely. "He's the champion, and nothings gonna take it away from him".

Lopez was mostly coming forward in this one, using his jab to pressure and generally occupy Galindez in some way. He also was happy to trade hooks when Galindez split his jab with one, and Lopez was absolutely awesome at hooking off the jab. It's always cool to see a fighter with a great long jab, and a really short hook. He didn't really show much of a right hand here, at least nothing stuck out as exceptional to me. I liked what Lopez was doing early on though, as he was using lots of feints to the head to set up the body work, and he'd use light touches to the body to set up head shots. It was a nice strategy and a great way in general to fight a guy with a defence as good as Galindez's, especially while they're constantly on the ropes.

Defensively, he had some good positioning in this fight. Even after Victor leaped in with the left hook - which didn't always land, anyway - he was never able to really follow up with anything, because while defending, Lopez had turned or stepped away from the right, leaving Victor awkwardly having to turn before throwing, rather than turning while throwing. He was great at rear hand parries and his high guard went up as soon as he was under pressure.

 

I'm gonna continue scoring the fight and come back to you later,the phrase "dirty out of heart" is somehow awesome, although I don't really understand it,that kind of dirtiness might be "take this low blow because I'm not losing easily!",not like "I'm losing man,take this low blow.."

Did I translate it perfectly?

 

Pretty much, mate. I'd say what I mean isvthe difference between:

"Uses dirty techniques because he's doing everything he can to keep his title and win the fight."

"Cheating in order to get disqualified, because they want out"

 

Yaqui had one of the most deft and educated left hands I’ve ever seen. He could do anything with it, and it seemed so natural.

Always wondered if he was a converted southpaw.

 

He did indeed, I'll make a point of watching the Conteh fight. I'm not sure if I've ever seen it.

 

Come to think of it, not sure I have either.

Conteh also had a gifted left hand, although I gather maybe because he had to develop it more due to the issues with his right.

 

Victor Galindez vs Yaqui Lopez 2

1 Lopez
2 Lopez
3 Galindez
4 Lopez
5 Galindez
6 Galindez
7 Galindez
8 Lopez
9 Lopez
10 Lopez
11 Lopez
12 Lopez
13 Galindez
14 Galindez
15 Lopez

144-141 Lopez

So i wanted to watch the 1st fight but the title description was wrong on Youtube, so i ended up watching the 2nd fight by mistake.

This wasn't a great fight by any means both men have been in much exciting/interesting fights. It was pretty much a tactical fight most of the way with Lopez coming forward primarily using the jab and Galindez fighting on the backfoot counter punching.

I thought overall the first 8 rounds or so were pretty close competitive rounds, Lopez won most of the early rounds just by doing more work and being the aggressor behind the jab. Galindez showed some nice defence slipping shots and countering punching. And i thought Galindez had a strong spell between 5-8.

But after the 8th round Galindez just didn't do any work at all, and Lopez racked up most of the rounds in the 2nd half of the fight just by literally throwing punches as Galindez did nothing. The 11th round was the only round which had any real action in it, but apart from that the fight followed the pattern of Lopez coming forward behind the jab with Galindez just throwing punches.

I thought Galindez turned it around a little bit in rounds 13-14 as he decided to actually come forward for the first time. But for some reason in the 15th round Galindez once again went back into his pattern of not throwing punches.

Overall i felt like Lopez was hard done by in the fight and deserved to have his hands raised as the world champion. Galindez was lackluster in the 2nd half of the fight and whilst Lopez wasn't exactly a ball of fire himself. IMO Lopez clearly won enough rounds in the 2nd half to win a clear decision.

Victor Galindez vs Yaqui Lopez 1

1 Lopez
2 Galindez
3 Lopez
4 Lopez
5 Lopez
6 Lopez
7 Galindez
8 Galindez
9 Galindez
10 Galindez
11 Galindez
12 Lopez
13 Lopez
14 Galindez
15 Galindez

Galindez 143-142

So first off i just want to say i thought this was a much better contest than their 2nd fight the fight followed the same pattern as the 2nd fight. With Lopez the aggressor behind the jab and Galindez on the backfoot counter punching. The difference is both men showed more fire in this fight rather than going through the motions fighting in 1st gear with no fire like their 2nd meeting. After 8 rounds of following the same pattern as the 1st meeting Galindez was willing to come forward and be aggressive. And unlike the 2nd meeting it was Galindez that came on strong late and just about pulled it out on my card by 1 point.

Final few thoughts about this fight was Jerry Quarry was commentating and he scored the fight exactly the same as i did except he scored the 3rd round even. Galindez got away with too many low blows and rabbit punches he was warned constantly and never got a point taken away. I certainly think Galindez deserved atleast 1 point taken away for the numerous fouls.

Overall as i said before much better fight than the 2nd fight fought with more passion and fire from both men. Lopez started off well coming forward using the jab, Galindez had a strong 2nd half and probably deserved to win based on that. But i also think Galindez was lucky not to get a point taken away which may of made a difference in the scoring.

 

Pipino Cuevas vs Randy Shields

1 Cuevas
2 Cuevas
3 Shields
4 Shields
5 Cuevas
6 Cuevas
7 Shields
8 Cuevas
9 Cuevas
10 Shields
11 Even
12 Cuevas
13 Cuevas
14 Cuevas
15 Shields

145-141 Cuevas

Just to start i'm not quite sure how Cuevas on 2 of the scorecards only won by 1 point. The fight was competitive for sure but i thought Cuevas was a clear winner and i certainly didn't think it was anywhere close to a 1 point fight.

Anyway onto the fight a good grueling competitive fight i enjoyed it. Shields showing his durability once again overcoming some hairy moments and showing good composure under pressure.

I thought Cuevas had the better of the argument with his effective aggression and much harder effective punches.

Shields did have some good success at times at range hitting Cuevas at will with right hands. The issue is Shields lacked a real devasting punch to really stop Cuevas's forward momentum, although i do think he stunned Cuevas a few times but nothing too serious.

I think the glaring amount of right hands Shields hit Cuevas with obviously would've gave Hearns alot of confidence for his future bout with Cuevas.

Overall a good tough competitive fight and nice to see it in HD.

I know @scartissue been wanting to see this on YT again.

 

@George Crowcroft @Saintpat i've scored the Conteh vs Lopez fight but there is 2 rounds missing just a heads up.


John Conteh vs Alvaro 'Yaqui' Lopez

1 Conteh
2 Lopez
3 Conteh
4 Conteh
5 Conteh
6 Lopez
7 Missing round 10-10
8 Lopez
9 Lopez
10 Conteh
11 Conteh
12 Missing round 10-10
13 Conteh
14 Conteh
15 Conteh

146-141 Conteh

So Conteh had been out of the ring for over a year because of his well known right hand problems. Conteh was more or less a one handed fighter in this fight as he pretty much mostly beat Lopez with the left jab/left hook and only very sparingly used the right hand.

Overall it was a good technical bout with both men looking to establish the jab in the middle of the ring. Lopez had some success in the 6th round when he hurt Conteh with a right hand and then seemed to go on a bit of roll between rounds 6-9. But after Lopez got cut in the 10th round i believe ? his work went a tad ragged as Conteh pretty much won every round from 10-15 with his left jab.

It's a bit annoying every Conteh fight i see has 1 or 2 rounds missing all the time especially when i'm trying create a scorecard. But overall the fight was very nip and tuck for the first 10 rounds with not much to choose between them until Conteh pulled away in the last 5 rounds.

Another tough loss for Yaqui Lopez it seems like every Lopez fight i watch he's always losing just goes to show how tough of an era this was if a quality fighter like Lopez couldn't win a title.

 

Can you please lead me to the second fight video? So I can finish my Galindez playlist.

 

Deleted much of your post so people can hopefully see the last line, which is what I wanted to respond to.

There’s a period in the late 1970s/early 80s where the light heavyweight scene includes:

Matthew Saad Muhammad
Marvin Johnson
James Scott
Victor Galindez
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
John Conteh
Yaqui Lopez
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Michael Spinks
Mike Rossman

And there are plenty of others either at the tail end of their time near the top or just coming into their own. Qawi and Spinks were ascending as the others were beginning to fade out, but did overlap and fought some of the above.

I think it’s the deepest division at one point in time in the history of boxing.

 

Here's the vid for you and Scar. This is the first fight.

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Second, but there's probably better quality somewhere:

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This fight..is what makes me realize why one of the commenters said that Angott had better infighting than Duran...

Looking at the fight, Angott holds his opponents in an overhook mostly,unlike Duran who employs an underhook so he can punch out his opponent from the inside.


The underhook is good for grabbing the body and smashing the opponents inside with uppercuts,but with Angott using the overhook,White has no way to punch back.


Sure, Angott's arsenal might seem limited inside the clinch when he uses the overhook,but Angott stood more straighter than Duran on the clinch,and it allows him to spam hooks on White's side,it does lack power, but a pebble will eventually kill if thrown at a correct volume.


His punches were wild and he certainly didn't have Duran's offense,but his longer reach saved him from getting hit int he clinch too,he might lose vs Duran but lose an SD.

 

Damn,I accidentally scored the second fight currently...will move to the first.